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Commentary: Concealed carry doesn't guarantee our safety — it puts us at greater risk (barf alert)
Chicago Tribune ^
| 17 jan 2019
| Nina E. Vinik
Posted on 01/17/2019 4:46:07 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: ClearCase_guy
That's no longer the case. Since 2010, when the SUpreme Court struck down the Illinois gun laws, Illinois has been a "shall issue" state, with
246,769 active CCW holders as of June 2017, all of which are allowed to carry in Chicago.
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posted on
01/17/2019 5:47:48 AM PST
by
PapaBear3625
("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
To: rellimpank
9,000 criminal homicides involving a gun, compared with just 265 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearmI love how they parse statistics to 'make a point.' How about the many, many cases where a private citizen who is carrying has defended themselves without firing a shot, much less killing the perpetrator?
Nah, that wouldn't support their unsupportable position.
To: rellimpank
I’d much rather have an abundance of guns than an abundance of progressives.
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posted on
01/17/2019 5:51:33 AM PST
by
Rurudyne
(Standup Philosopher)
To: Campion
Not only that, but she ignores the hard-to-quantify deterrence effect -- thugs who want to commit crimes against persons, but don't because they fear the person might shoot back. Muggers, carjackers, armed robbers -- they commit a LOT of crimes per year if that's how they support themselves. If you commit two hundred violent crimes per year, and just 1% of your victims are armed, your luck will run out before end of year.
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posted on
01/17/2019 5:53:56 AM PST
by
PapaBear3625
("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
To: Rurudyne
The Harvard study is seriously flawed.
What they need to look at is how many crimes against CC holders took place versus how many of those crimes resulted in the perp getting shot. That is the number we need to validate the study. If we don’t use that number, the study is garbage.
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posted on
01/17/2019 5:58:08 AM PST
by
EQAndyBuzz
("We The People" have turned into "You, The Subjects.")
To: rellimpank
No “equalizer” for Nina E. Vinik (author of this piece) then ...
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posted on
01/17/2019 5:59:26 AM PST
by
_Jim
(democrats create mobs. Republicans create jobs.)
To: goldstategop
RE Nina:
One gets the impression that Nina would be apologizing for - and TO - the mugger.
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posted on
01/17/2019 6:07:15 AM PST
by
NFHale
(The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
To: Qiviut
What happened to the “if it only saves one life, it’s worth doing?”
To: allwrong57
What happened to the if it only saves one life, its worth doing?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The Left only applies this “selectively” and guns are excluded.
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posted on
01/17/2019 6:19:52 AM PST
by
Qiviut
(McCain & Obama's Legacy in two words: DONALD TRUMP!)
To: Qiviut
The Communists lack a little consistency.
To: ThunderSleeps
You made the points I was thinking about.
I would venture a guess that most “uses” of firearms to prevent crimes aren’t documented. How many times does a would-be robber or attacker approach someone and then make a sudden, abrupt change in plans and direction when the intended victim either pulls a weapon or even makes a motion towards a possible weapon? I doubt if most of those instances are reported. I think it’s also probable that some potential crimes are stopped just by the potential victim’s situational awareness that makes the criminal decide to look for easier prey.
Another “statistic” I’d like to see is the percentage of the criminal homicides that involved a completely innocent victim vs. the percentage of criminals killing each other. What percentage of criminal homicides involving a gun was gang violence, drug dealers fighting over territory, that sort of thing?
To: rellimpank
...when she was approached by a teen who attempted to rob her with a gun.
Notice the author’s use of ‘teen’? Although factually true, it is there to elicit sympathy for the man who tried to rob a woman at gunpoint. Very crafty.
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posted on
01/17/2019 7:54:56 AM PST
by
hanamizu
To: siberianheat
---yep--several years ago I was able to post on both the Trib and the Chicago S-T -
-the anti-firearms (i.e., nearly all ) threads were always about ten to one against the newpaper's opinion-
-the result was the removal of the ability to comment---
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posted on
01/17/2019 9:51:39 AM PST
by
rellimpank
(--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
To: rellimpank
It is extremely rare for a legal gun owner to use a gun successfully in self-defense. LIES!
Real a REAL researcher, like John Lott or Clayton Cramer.
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posted on
01/17/2019 10:06:46 AM PST
by
backwoods-engineer
(Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
To: rellimpank
It is extremely rare for a legal gun owner to use a gun successfully in self-defense. It's not that rare; what IS rare is you mediots REPORTING it accurately.
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posted on
01/17/2019 10:06:47 AM PST
by
JimRed
( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
To: rellimpank
It is extremely rare for a legal gun owner to use a gun successfully in self-defense. LIES!
Read a REAL researcher, like John Lott or Clayton Cramer.
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posted on
01/17/2019 10:06:58 AM PST
by
backwoods-engineer
(Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
To: rellimpank
The one word answer to the question asking why the Second Amendment exists, Liberals.
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posted on
01/17/2019 10:13:03 AM PST
by
Kickass Conservative
(Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.)
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posted on
01/17/2019 3:01:09 PM PST
by
PROCON
('Progressive' is a Euphemism for Totalitarian)
To: rellimpank
The usual nonsense that ignores all the times guns were used to chase off attackers and robbers by simply brandishing them.
And also ignores the plummeting homicide rate as concealed carry became the norm across the land.
Hoplophobes are so tiring.
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posted on
01/17/2019 3:20:30 PM PST
by
dirtboy
To: rellimpank
There are a few things that if you EVER need and don’t have available, chances are you will NEVER need them or anything again.
Two that come to mind are
A Handgun
A Parachute
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posted on
01/17/2019 3:25:06 PM PST
by
xrmusn
(6/98"Getting rich as a Politician means doing something illegal''(trunc) HS Truman)
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