The plane is certainly "airworthy". The challenge is that the crews are not being properly trained on the new system design, the system itself is not a simple switch change to deactivate (time is of the essence in these incidents), and that simulator time is difficult as the major airlines using this system do not have MAX simulators available to train on.
It's "airworthy" but not "safe" at the moment.
1 posted on
03/11/2019 1:07:59 PM PDT by
Magnatron
To: Magnatron
I rode in two of them this past weekend on Southwest Airlines.
For the return trip, the plane was grounded for some unspecified reason, and we got off the ground three hours later on a different 737 Max.
2 posted on
03/11/2019 1:12:12 PM PDT by
Publius
("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill & Publius available at Amazon.)
To: Magnatron
Are they using Windows 10 ?
To: Magnatron
Hmmm.......Jakarta, Indonesia........Ethiopia...........Hmmmm..........there must be a connection...............
5 posted on
03/11/2019 1:18:24 PM PDT by
Red Badger
(We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
To: Magnatron
Good, let the FAA fly in them
6 posted on
03/11/2019 1:18:31 PM PDT by
ImNotLying
(The Constitution is an instrument for the people to restrain the government...Patrick Henry)
To: Magnatron
Sounds good. Then I’m sure the FAA wouldn’t mind chartering one and flying to 50 airports around the USA to hold some quick press conferences.
9 posted on
03/11/2019 1:22:16 PM PDT by
DesertRhino
(Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
To: Magnatron
I think the FAA will carefully look at the simulators used by Southwest, American and United, the three US-based airlines have ordered the 737 MAX models. They especially want to look at the experience of Southwest pilots in both simulator training and actual flight operations, who has 34 737 MAX 8's in their fleet.
14 posted on
03/11/2019 1:35:32 PM PDT by
RayChuang88
(FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
To: Magnatron
a discount indonesian airline. ethiopian airlines.
blaming boeing seems a little, er, shortsighted.
To: Magnatron
I curious as to if any incidents have taken place on US airlines, and what were the actions taken.
True that there aren’t any MAX-8 simulators.
But I suspect that there is a problem in the software reading the inputs from only 2 AOA sensors, computers can get confused deciding which one is correct, and a third and you go with the 2 that are in agreement. (BTW Airbus uses 3 AOA’s)
19 posted on
03/11/2019 1:43:45 PM PDT by
Robe
(A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
To: Magnatron
The FAA’s opening position always is that until there’s evidence to the contrary, it’s always pilot error.
To: Magnatron
Without saying too much, most of you are guessing or are flat out wrong. I am a 737 Pilot and have flown the Max. It flies fine. Nice and quiet and super fuel efficient.
To: Magnatron
28 posted on
03/11/2019 2:07:16 PM PDT by
Yo-Yo
( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
To: Magnatron
“as the major airlines using this system do not have MAX simulators available to train on”
Trusimulation has built and installed 737 Max sims for Boeing in Boeing’s training facility in Miami.
To: Magnatron
While mechanical failure is always possible is ANYONE mentioning the TWO major crashes involving this plane were both in Third World, mostly Muslim countries?
I blame pilot/ crew incompetence in both cases-or intentional Muslim sabotage.
Don't compare our maintenance( even at its worst) to that of uneducated,backward,corrupt or lazy employees in the Third World.
Check all the planes, certainly but IMO this crash was either intentional(Muslim terrorism) or employee incompetence. Some people just aren't ready for technology.
35 posted on
03/11/2019 2:33:13 PM PDT by
ClearBlueSky
(ISLAM is the problem. ISLAM is the enemy of civilization.)
To: Magnatron
It's "airworthy" but not "safe" at the moment.
Ummm ...
The plane CPU may be falsely diagnosing a "stall" condition and so automatically points the plane's nose down to gain air speed.
The pilots say WTF? and try to bring the nose up.
Radar shows the plane going up and down enough to register on radar?
A witness said at the end the plane went nose down straight into the ground. After the dive/pull up gyrations their last minutes must have been horrifying.
Note to programmers: Maybe add a screen with a choice of functions to cut off from CPU control including a BIG Button one for "Gimmee manual flaps, rudder, engines, hydraulics, stick and pedals command please. Now!"
Hope they figure this one out ASAP - brand new planes and I think it was my favorite SW Air saying no refunds if you decline to take that plane.
47 posted on
03/11/2019 4:14:57 PM PDT by
Tunehead54
(Nothing funny here ;-)
To: Magnatron
To: Magnatron
Are these manufactured in China?
52 posted on
03/11/2019 5:38:42 PM PDT by
aimhigh
(THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
To: Magnatron
After Lion Air, New York Times published cockpit photos that seem to show the crucial stick-pusher disarm switches hidden beneath an unmarked and undocumented plastic cover. If Herb Kelleher (Southwest co-founder) were alive, he’d personally yank those covers off, stomp them into pieces and then sue Boeing (the “Lazy B Ranch”) for enough $$ to get all their tech writers fired.
55 posted on
03/11/2019 8:09:34 PM PDT by
mcs407
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