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Abolish the Income Tax, Abolish the IRS
PJ Media ^ | 15 Apr 2019 | Stephen Green

Posted on 04/15/2019 11:25:28 AM PDT by Rummyfan

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To: TangledUpInBlue

You can say that about the current system too.
Its the middle classes that pay, the rich (minimal) and the bottom do not. Its that way by design!

A consumption tax would get the “off-the books” market as well as put everyone’s skin to a greater or lessor degree into the game. Right now the too many people who vote are NOT effected by the outcomes of their vote because of that lack of skin! They can afford fanciful notions because it doesn’t affect them.


41 posted on 04/15/2019 1:07:09 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Rummyfan
More than anything else, we need to eliminate witholding. Make everyone write that check at the end of the year. All the rest will follow from that. Too many people only look at the 'refund' that they get back of the money that had previously been stolen from them. If they actually had to write a check, they'd feel differently about it.
42 posted on 04/15/2019 1:08:27 PM PDT by zeugma (Power without accountability is fertilizer for tyranny.)
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To: Rummyfan

Taxing income is bad, immoral. Having a bloated, corrupt government is bad, immoral. Collecting obscene amounts of personal information is wrong, immoral. A retail sales tax to fund a small, limited government is good, moral.


43 posted on 04/15/2019 1:09:09 PM PDT by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

“$25 annual fee”

I think it is about $800 annual fee for a corporation of any size to do business in my state of Florida.

I believe many other states also charge steeply to operate an incorporated business.


44 posted on 04/15/2019 1:21:21 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

They all vary. Some states are $15 or $25. Some state annual reports operate like a Franchise Tax. WI, CT, IL, and VA are the worst. Tax can go into the thousands. But as I say, there they are taxing Capital apportionment. I’m talking about a fixed fee. For example:

Sales of

$0 - $1M $25
$1M - $5M $50
$5M - $10M $75
Over $10M $200

Something like that. Very simple, very easy. Tied to Line 1a of Form 1120.


45 posted on 04/15/2019 1:29:29 PM PDT by TangledUpInBlue
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To: Macoozie

“ALL non-Constitutional spending”

There is no such thing as “non-Constitutional spending”.

Congress has an unlimited power to spend:

“The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States”

Article IV, Section. 3.

“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;”

Article I, Section. 8.

Congress has somewhat restricted taxing power, but it has unrestricted borrowing and asset sale power.

Our Constitution has flaws.


46 posted on 04/15/2019 1:31:34 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Pontiac

“Forcing merchants as a condition to their business license to collect taxes for the Federal government is in my mind slavery and making them involuntary accomplices to theft.”

Congress has the power to levy taxation and the “necessary and proper” power needed to collect that taxation.

The Founding Fathers viewed direct taxation of individuals as too difficult. Many people in 1787 didn’t have a dollar to their name.

Even modern governments like to run scams, such as forcing people to buy health insurance and then taxing the doctors dearly. Why Mr. Griffin, your taxes are low! I’m not fooled. Another scam is lowering interest rates and forcing people to entrust Wall Street fatcats with their life savings.


47 posted on 04/15/2019 1:44:23 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Since I don’t get paid off of it, I will say that it would be beneficial because freedom and privacy are far more important to me than they are to anyone who would defend income tax for any reason.


48 posted on 04/15/2019 1:50:05 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Tax programs for various businesses allow the items to be charged for as required.

No clerk at the cash register has to make a decision as to how it is to be taxed.


49 posted on 04/15/2019 2:18:59 PM PDT by old curmudgeon (There isTha no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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To: Rummyfan

“The Revenue Act of 1916 began the practice of adjusting tax rates and income scales. The original income tax was 1% for the bottom bracket, which was comprised of income up to $20,000, and 7% for the top bracket which was comprised of income over $500,000.”

We should just reset to the 1916 tax rate.


50 posted on 04/15/2019 2:26:48 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Chivalry is not dead. It is a warriors code and only practiced by warriors.)
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To: M Kehoe
Amend the Constitution by eliminating the 16th amendment.

Then eliminate the 17th amendment.

Amen!!!

Then eliminate the source of all our problems: the 19th.

51 posted on 04/15/2019 2:30:26 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (As always IMHO)
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To: 4Liberty

Thanks.


52 posted on 04/15/2019 3:24:42 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: 4Liberty

What makes taxation not theft?

It is Legal Plunder with lots of rules.


53 posted on 04/15/2019 3:37:54 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Rummyfan; All

I’ve got no problem w/ the 16A per se....It’s the illegality of the ENFORCEMENT that’s the problem: violations of 4th/5th to support a violation via the 13th (aka ‘welfare’, in all its forms, shapes+).

Still, that doesn’t handle the underground economies, the retired\’poor’

Follow the Const. (A1S8) FIRST, then we’ll see what she needs to keep going.


54 posted on 04/15/2019 4:32:14 PM PDT by i_robot73 (One could not count the number of *solutions*, if only govt followed\enforced the Constitution.)
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To: Rummyfan

The slave has become the master—always the case with a government that refuses to spend within its means.


55 posted on 04/15/2019 6:49:57 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: cpt jack 1

Yep - I never used Turbo Tax (been using Tax Act for a number of years) and this year have received no fewer than 30 missives from Turbo Tax to sign in and get the best...blah blah blah...made me decide I’ll never use their product.


56 posted on 04/16/2019 3:09:50 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: Brian Griffin

““ALL non-Constitutional spending”

There is no such thing as “non-Constitutional spending”.”

If the power is not in the Constitution, then it would be un-constitutional.

Congress needs to be reigned in and put back into its box.


57 posted on 04/16/2019 1:29:41 PM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: Daffynition; Man50D; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; FBD; ...

Thanks for the ping, sweetie!

Delayed response because I was finishing up my @%&**!!&@# TAXES!

Note that April 15th will be another nice Spring Day when FAIRtax is law of the land!

FAIRtax is, of course, the BIG SOLUTION: Check out http://www.bigsolution.org


58 posted on 04/16/2019 6:39:41 PM PDT by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: cpt jack 1

If we have to have taxes I want a checklist of things I want it used for right on the tax form would get to specify what
percent as well.


59 posted on 04/16/2019 7:53:57 PM PDT by fulltlt
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To: old curmudgeon
Ordinary CPA’s are every bit opposed to real reform.

This CPA is all in for the Fair Tax.

60 posted on 04/16/2019 8:43:59 PM PDT by foxfield
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