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To: gandalftb
Slavery was the cause of the Civil War, that “vehicle” killed 700,000+ to get it stopped.

That is absolutely incorrect. I used to believe that, but I have since learned it is a lie we are taught.

Lincoln urged the passage of the Corwin amendment which would have made slavery permanent in the United States. This amendment did in fact pass both houses of congress, and was ratified by four or so Northern states.

Offering the South permanent protection for slavery if they would just remain in the Union demonstrates that the war wasn't fought over slavery, it was fought over the South becoming independent.

44 posted on 04/30/2019 10:00:49 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; central_va

You may have been taught lies about the Civil War, I was taught to keep an open mind and educate yourself from resources you choose yourself.

Otherwise, education becomes a punching bag process where one learns from agenda driven propaganda.

We have discussed this issue at great length, before, the causes of the Civil War, of which there were many.

I correct myself in that regard, to wit, slavery was not the “only” cause of the Civil War. It was the single greatest irritation and the Civil War would not have been fought without it.

Is it your position that, were there no slavery, there would still have been a Civil War?


52 posted on 05/01/2019 8:39:09 AM PDT by gandalftb
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To: DiogenesLamp

You are mistaking desperate attempts to avoid a war with the politicians actual positions.

Lincoln sought many compromises to save the Union. Acceptance of tis Democrat measure being one of them.

HOWEVER, that does not change his fundamental position, nor the fundamental positions of the treasonous Breckenridges position.


“Outgoing President James Buchanan endorsed the Corwin Amendment by taking the unprecedented step of signing it.[15] His signature on the Congressional joint resolution was unnecessary, as the President has no formal role in the constitutional amendment process.[16]

Abraham Lincoln, in his first inaugural address on March 4, said of the Corwin Amendment:[17]

I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution—which amendment, however, I have not seen—has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service ... holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.

Just weeks prior to the outbreak of the Civil War, Lincoln sent a letter to each state’s governor transmitting the proposed amendment,[18] noting that Buchanan had approved it.[19]”


58 posted on 05/01/2019 6:44:04 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Bingo. There’s just no getting around that. The North Offered the South slavery forever by express constitutional amendment. The South turned it down. Obviously secession and the war were not “about” slavery.


60 posted on 05/01/2019 7:40:08 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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