America will never be a socialist country

The Washington Times ^ | May 2, 2019 | Scott Walker

[vannrox]

OK. I love Donald Trump, and what the United States was founded as, but really let’s get our heads out of the sand will ya.

The United States has been progressive for at least 100 years, and has significant socialist policies since the last 50 years.

It’s NOT a republic. That died with the passage of the 12th and 17 amendments.

The Civil War centralized government in Washington DC, and destroyed the 10th amendment.

The 4th amendment died with the 16th amendment was passed, and was codified into our present reality under Obama when the Utah data collection center was constructed for all our “private and personal papers and records” to be owned by the US government.

On a social level, the Federal Reserve brought the value of the USD down to a fraction of a penny. When it was still worth 25 cents, the break up of the traditional family occurred. As all the savings were depleted and both parents had to work. What followed were a nation of people with no parental guidance. It pretty much devastated the societal structure of the lower classes of American society.

Americans are living the socialist dream RIGHT NOW. It’s just that we want to recognize it as something else, than what it actually and truly is.

The deep state are socialist.
Universities and colleges are socialists.
Hollywood and American culture are all socialist.
Companies now employ “diversity officers” which are nothing more than PC Commissars.

The conservative elements remaining in the USA are few and far between and are marked for extermination by the vast majority of Marxists in control. It will happen. Quietly if possible, but there is a loud clamor for real public usurpation by any means possible.

[eyeamok]

They should all be sent to Venezuela for 1 year, extraordinary rendition.

[foreverfree]

bump

[Secret Agent Man]

We are mostly socialist. Not just partly.

[PGalt]

Very good post in a very good thread. Thanks. BUMP!

[Aut Pax Aut Bellum]

Democrats want Socialism, they believe it will seat them in power for generations.

[Ullus]

Never say never.

[shanover]

America is soft Socialist teetering on full on Socialism.

[Charles Martel]

The deep state are socialist.
Universities and colleges are socialists.
Hollywood and American culture are all socialist.
Companies now employ “diversity officers” which are nothing more than PC Commissars.

Reagan was so, so correct.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction."

[itsahoot]

The deep state are socialist. Universities and colleges are socialists. Hollywood and American culture are all socialist. Companies now employ “diversity officers” which are nothing more than PC Commissars.

Finally, I thought I was the only one that noticed.

I suggested that The President would not succeed if he listened to all those fake defenders of the Constitution that they allow Superior Court judges too amend by their decisions all the time.

[Taxman]

We HAVE to start fighting back!

Somewhere!

Sometime!

President Trump laid down the challenge - it is up to US to accept the challenge and make it happen!

The USA will never be a Socialist country if and only if We the People get off our collective asses and make it happen!

If we sit idly by, and do not get engaged, we will be steamrollered!

I did not spend 28.5 years in the USN and USNR to see my children and grandchildren living in a Socialist Hell!

Get out there and fight for OUR FReedom!

[Taxman]

We should have invaded Cuba and killed Castro in 1959, just as soon as we learned he was a Communist!

You would think that we would have learned our lesson re: the mischief that a Communist state in the Western Hemisphere would cause, wouldn’t you? We have had nothing but trouble since Castro defeated Batista, and, apparently, have learned NOTHING!

Why, then, have we allowed the tin pot dictators of Venezuela to push our buttons?

[pilipo]

Pithy.

Thank you for posting this.

[otness_e]

While damaged somewhat by the 17th Amendment (don’t know about the 12th Amendment), America is STILL a Republic. The time we stop being a Republic is when mobs storm buildings, drag the president of whoever party is in charge out to a guillotine and decapitate him, advocate anarchy and mob rule, as well as killing everyone for sport, also creating mass graves where people dig a hole and end up shot, oh, and also Gulag-style work camps. In other words, we need to become Robespierre’s France during the September Massacres or the Reign of Terror, or heck, even the USSR or Nazi Germany or, heck, the Weimar Republic, even, before we even come close to America stops being a republic.

Besides, technically, you could make the argument that America was socialist since its inception in the worst way possible. I know Christopher A. Ferrara actually posits that view in “Liberty: The God that Failed”, and even implied that the 10th Amendment was a clever way of silencing people’s freedom of speech. And quite frankly, had Jefferson had any say in the Constitutional Convention, he most likely would have turned it into the American version of the French Revolution, complete with mass murder, considering how in love with the Jacobin excesses he was.

[vannrox]

While damaged somewhat by the 17th Amendment (don’t know about the 12th Amendment), America is STILL a Republic. The time we stop being a Republic is when mobs storm buildings, drag the president of whoever party is in charge out to a guillotine and decapitate him, advocate anarchy and mob rule, as well as killing everyone for sport, also creating mass graves where people dig a hole and end up shot, oh, and also Gulag-style work camps. In other words, we need to become Robespierre’s France during the September Massacres or the Reign of Terror, or heck, even the USSR or Nazi Germany or, heck, the Weimar Republic, even, before we even come close to America stops being a republic.

Besides, technically, you could make the argument that America was socialist since its inception in the worst way possible. I know Christopher A. Ferrara actually posits that view in “Liberty: The God that Failed”, and even implied that the 10th Amendment was a clever way of silencing people’s freedom of speech. And quite frankly, had Jefferson had any say in the Constitutional Convention, he most likely would have turned it into the American version of the French Revolution, complete with mass murder, considering how in love with the Jacobin excesses he was.

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I have no doubt that the United States was set up as a Republic. I argue that it is not FUNCTIONALLY one today.

To really see just how far the United States nation has slid, you need to go to a "Communist" country. Like China. It wasn't until I left the good ol' USA, did I really began to see just how bad the USA is today.

[1] If you are right. Then I am wrong. Thus, Communist China is a far better place to live than the United States "Republic" is. Today.

[2] If I am right, and you are wrong. Then the United States is no longer a Republic in anything but the name. It is an oligarchy. Just like Jimmy Carter says.



You are not going to notice or be aware of just how bad it is, if you are still sitting in the hot boiling pot of water with the other frogs (if you understand my analogy).



I have explained this FACT in great detail on my FR profile page. It's over 43 pages long and goes into great detail what has become of our "Republic".

You see, it's really nice to talk about semantics, but when you no longer have privacy; when you no longer have control over your government in any meaningful way... you DO NOT have a Republic.

Remember, forms of governance are all explicitly delineated by how the people actuate the levers of governance. NOT by the name of the governance method.

Kindly check out my FR profile page for my in-depth take on this subject.

[otness_e]

You think I’m not aware of those aspects you alluded to? Of course I’m aware. Heck, I pretty much saw what happened in the schools first hand as a student and nearly avoided being brainwashed, same goes with entertainment mediums (and just as an FYI, it’s not just American entertainment media that’s crap right now. Even Japanese media, certainly games like Metal Gear, are pushing the exact same crap right now.). However, as bad as America might currently be right now, it’s still not close to a totalitarian state. Look at Stalin’s Russia regarding what an actual totalitarian state is like. That guy Stalin could throw you in the gulags for stopping applause for literally any reason, that little of a reason. And he’s a piker compared to Mao Zedong, who’s even WORSE. Same goes for the Jacobins in France, and how they treated the people at Vendee (heck, how they treated EVERYONE in France). Sure, we are getting closer right now to that position, and we must do everything in our power to reverse course before it’s all too late, but we are NOT at that point yet, despite what you said. We’d need to be in France 1790s before we can even come CLOSE to that, or even Russia 1918, for that matter.

In any case, there’s a book out called “Liberty: The God that Failed” by Christopher A. Ferrara that actually makes the argument that even back during the Founding Fathers’ days, it was doomed to fail and may have even been a virtual totalitarian state at inception, even citing how Thomas Jefferson was closer to a big government ogre in his pursuit of liberty, not to mention his cheerleading the Jacobins, who were practically the forefathers of both modern day anarchy and totalitarianism. You might want to take that into consideration.

I’m not sure I’d use Ayn Rand as a basis, if I were you, however. She’s of the same stripe as the Communists, even advocating for unlimited abortion and no restraints by the government. She’s as much of a “conservative”/”constitutional originalist” as Sartre and Foucault were if I must be honest (and they were anarchists and quasi-communists). In fact, her inspiration for her Objectivist views was a psychopathic serial killer, William Hicks I believe his name was.

[otness_e]

Here’s an article summarizing the book, two articles in fact since it’s a two-parter:

*Part 1: https://distributistreview.com/liberty-god-that-failed/

*Part 2: https://distributistreview.com/review-liberty-god-that-failed-part-ii/