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To: spintreebob

Did you even read the article? Would seem that you did not nor do you know much about this rather complex issue.

I know a little about the subject...I worked in recruiting STEM workers, and I have 4 family members who are “STEM;” 2 of them have PhDs, 1 has MS, and one has BS and working on MS...

I really resent you and others here stereotyping all US technical students and professionals as being uneducated or unskilled and therefore unable to compete with Indians or Chinese indentured workers. I would stack up my family members’ skills against anyone here plus any H-1B recipients.

Tho my family members are very talented and doing fine, at various times over the past decade, they they have been impacted by H-1B visa workers thru missed opportunities, layoffs or reduced salaries. Endless supply of workers primarily from India but also China cheapen the work of all US tech professionals...They are not better skilled—in fact many US professionals have had to train their cheaper replacements...Many articles outlining this have been posted here in the past.

Tech titans like Ellison (being sued by Justice Dept for preferential hiring of foreign students) and Zuckerberg want H-1Bs because they are cheap and can be indentured...And Dem pols want them because if H-1B’s obtain citizenship (their primary objective), they will likely vote Dem...

Why would you want to take a position of tech titans who hate Trump and conservatives and Dems who want to create a future DEM political monopoly?


45 posted on 05/06/2019 11:35:22 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (#KATE'SWALL Build it Now)
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To: Freedom56v2

I see you fly an Illinois flag. Most of my IT consulting since 1983 has been in IL (Motorola, Sears, Allstate, Kraft, Discover, United Ins, CNA Ins, State Farm, etc.) but also Minneapolis, Kansas, Missouri, and not 6 years in GA.

Repeatedly I have seen IT shops with full funding for 3 or more big projects which were unable to staff up. That was true is the 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, and now 2017+ (2012-2016) seemed like a drought in the midwest). Shops with multiple projects that cannot staff up have 3 choices:
1) kill 1 or 2 of the projects.
2) Offshore to India.
3) hire immigrants (mostly India but Australia, Mexico, Korea, China, Ireland, UK, and especially Canada. Many
people don’t realize how many Canadians work in the US).
When they hire immigrants all 3 projects stay in the US.

With the first 2 options I do not have a job.

Yes, I have trained Indian Jr College level techs to take my US jobs in insurance back to India (an insurance company not named above).

Currently in GA IBM has had a $100 million fixed bid contract for an Oracle Data Warehouse, Informatica, Cognos, SAS, etc. They are offering the same rate (or better) as you would find in Chicago, Dallas, Huston, Austin or Atlanta, 6 figure for most. They started staffing up last May and have been very slow to find qualified people. Over 2/3 of the people they took a chance on were let go because they were incompetent. (If the words Normalize, DeNormalize, Fact and Dimension are not in your vocabulary, what are you doing on a Data project?)

They have ended up with a mostly immigrant workforce, but not by intent. I was at the IBM headquarters for a different project (not the one I know intimately). I saw about 200 people come to apply for 100 jobs of various skill levels. About 180 of the 200 appeared to be Natural Born Americans, not immigrants. Apparently many of them had a BA/BS in IT/MIS. But they apparently did not know what I knew on my first day at Motorola in 1983.

PS I am worth my low 6 figure rate. But I don’t claim to be a genius worth double what I make.


56 posted on 05/07/2019 4:16:31 PM PDT by spintreebob
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