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To: Ancesthntr

“They have us over a barrel, too. If Mexico’s economy tanks, we will have 500,000 refugees a month, more if a bunch of Communists come to power.

It is in the interest of both countries to settle this. Someone will have to be the loser, and that needs to be the cartels. We should do a deal to help the Mexican army destroy them, utterly. This will help Mexico normalize their economy, slow the flow of refugees and slow the entry of drugs here.”

You are making several assumptions in your statement.

1. You think that the number of people who will come over the border is a function of the economy in Mexico not the refusal of Democrats to secure the border. Mexico has always had a corrupt, backward economy that produces little or nothing of value. There was always more opportunity in the U.S. As the U.S. has built factories in Mexico and provided jobs and opportunity and the Mexican standard of living has improved, the number of people crossing the border has increased exponentially.

2. You think that the Mexican government wants to destroy the cartels. The Mexican government does not want to destroy the cartels. The Mexican government and the cartels are part of the same organization. The Mexican government is totally corrupt. It is working closely with the Mexican cartels.

If the U.S. has strong leadership we can secure the border, compel the Mexican government to work with us and end these problems at the border.


53 posted on 06/05/2019 1:11:17 PM PDT by detective
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To: detective

“1. You think that the number of people who will come over the border is a function of the economy in Mexico not the refusal of Democrats to secure the border. Mexico has always had a corrupt, backward economy that produces little or nothing of value. There was always more opportunity in the U.S. As the U.S. has built factories in Mexico and provided jobs and opportunity and the Mexican standard of living has improved, the number of people crossing the border has increased exponentially.

2. You think that the Mexican government wants to destroy the cartels. The Mexican government does not want to destroy the cartels. The Mexican government and the cartels are part of the same organization. The Mexican government is totally corrupt. It is working closely with the Mexican cartels.

If the U.S. has strong leadership we can secure the border, compel the Mexican government to work with us and end these problems at the border.”


1. If the economy there gets dramatically worse, people will leave in greater numbers, regardless of US policy. I agree with you that we need to really clamp down on border crossings, and toss out those who get through without OUR permission - that is the most basic exercise in sovereignty that one can imagine.

Another problem has nothing to do with securing the border, but the amount of welfare and other related assistance that we’ll give them. It used to be that if you didn’t have a sponsor who’d take financial responsibility for you, then you couldn’t get in. Well, that clearly doesn’t apply anymore - but it needs to be reimposed.

A further problem, perhaps at the heart of this issue, is “birthright citizenship.” That can be eliminated in a flash - just get a majority of both houses of Congress to pass a law and the President to sign it and, voila, no more of this nonsense. The 14th Amendment clause regarding people who were born here having equal rights to each other applied to FORMER SLAVES. It wasn’t even applied to Indians until the 1920s. So why on Earth - besides votes for Dems and cheap labor for big, multi-nationals that don’t give a rat’s ass about this country - hasn’t such a revocation of birthright citizenship passed? This one issue should, after all of the nonsense that’s gone on for the last couple of years, result in not only a big Trump victory, but a retaking of the House. If this happens, Trump MUST, MUST, MUST press Congress very hard on this. I don’t even care if he has to agree to $100 billion of additional debt-financed spending to get it, because it’ll save us far more than that before 2-3 years go by.

2) Yes, of course the Mexican government is corrupt, and always has been. So were the Spanish before them, and the Aztecs before that. What needs to be done is for someone to make those in charge understand that while the cartels are big gangs with lots of money and muscle, WE are a far larger gang with FAR larger muscle, and make it clear that we are not going to tolerate the continuation of the current situation for very long. If they don’t fix the cartel problem (and we should be willing to help, just to reduce immigration and drug importation ASAP), then we’ll fix it for them...but they won’t like it very much if we do the fixing, because that usually involves lots of broken things and dead people, that’s just how the Army and Marines roll.

FYI, I have it on good word that an Israeli private military company (i.e. mercenaries with better PR) offered one of the Mexican Presidents the option of getting rid of the cartels in about 6 months, for a fee. The offer was refused out of hand, and for obvious reasons. But the deed is possible if you have someone with the requisite intelligence, muscle and will. The US definitely has the first 2, and with Trump as POTUS I believe that we have the third one...time will tell. But it’d also be nice if the rest of the Pubbies would stop trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - just this once.


67 posted on 06/05/2019 3:32:20 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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