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Anxious GOP seeks to delay Trump's Mexico tariffs
The Hill ^ | Jan 5 2019 | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 06/05/2019 8:53:01 PM PDT by rintintin

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To: Fungi

Gutless, no; ideological, yes. This is their ideology.


41 posted on 06/05/2019 10:29:21 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Hostage

Exactly & if anyone knows how deep the swamp is, it’s Trump.
RINOs know where their bread is buttered or in this case, where their toast is avocado’d...
Glad Trump is shining a light on the RINO scum, they’re worse than the Democraps.


42 posted on 06/05/2019 10:30:45 PM PDT by rainee (Her)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

Art of the deal anyone? You never negotiate from a position of weakness, which is what will happen if Trump caves on this.
Hit them where it hurts & hit them hard.
Screw the RINOs


43 posted on 06/05/2019 10:34:55 PM PDT by rainee (Her)
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To: Olog-hai

The republican party has a knack for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. PT should take a leaf out of Farage’s book and go rogue.


44 posted on 06/05/2019 11:06:13 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; ...
And then their gravy train will end. Thanks fieldmarshaldj.

45 posted on 06/05/2019 11:14:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: rintintin

So this Senator was hired to say that a lot of people don’t want tariffs to start.... Hell, I can do that! Really? This guy is a Senator? Really? That’s all it takes to be a Senator, merely mouth platitudes? I’m gob-smacked.


46 posted on 06/05/2019 11:33:00 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU)
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To: House Atreides
Warning: Long

We commonly regard our politicians as charlatans and betrayers of our trust. Indeed, I have indulged my feelings about Boehner and McConnell quite stridently. But let's think about politicians in a different light, not as our paladins entrusted by us to do battle on our behalf but as salesmen in the business of selling politics.

Many salesmen do not care whether they are selling mutual funds or motorcars, they want to rack up sales. So it is with many politicians, especially those labeling themselves Republicans, they are not out so much to change the world as to sell it whatever is in inventory. Democrats are heathens who have substituted politics for religion and as converts, they are true believers. Rank-and-file Republicans, although fewer than before, still hold to their faith and do not regard politics as the true Jerusalem. Elected Republicans do not share the honest faith of the base but are at best Christians of convenience and at worst rank opportunists. In political battles, atheist Democrats start with a great advantage, they believe they are playing the only game that matters. Elected Republicans believe Democrats are right but they dare not say so, hence, they play a different game, a double game. For them the game is to play the base.

Some time ago I submitted the following reply at a time when Rino Republicans were abandoning the president on declaring an emergency divert funds to build the wall. Today's argument is about a different wall, a tariff wall to force Mexico to honestly police the border. The game is the same, the players are the same who are playing the same game.

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Conservatives blame Rinos in the Senate who overtly and covertly undermine and openly desert the president on shutting down the government to build the wall. They abandon him when he declares an emergency to build the wall. Peel off this layer of the onion, why are these senators behaving like classic Rinos? The answer is deeper than the obvious, they are behaving like Rinos because they, of course, are in fact Rinos, but why so?

Why do these senators regard it to be in the best interests of the country and more likely in their own best interests to be seen opposing the president? Why do many of them feel that they must soon openly oppose the president publicly in his fight for the wall? Why are so many Republican Senators silent day after day as Mueller's investigation is exposed?

Put yourself in the shoes of an elected Republican official and ask yourself, what are the countervailing forces to which I must respond as a politician? Where does my survival lie? If I sustain the president in his fight, who will be for me, who will be against me and who must I fear the most? This elected official, let us say a Senator, hears from his base, he looks up and down the census tables at the demographics of the state, he surveys the donor lists which financially sustain him in his upcoming campaign, he considers the institutions which will react favorably or unfavorably and reluctantly goes public as and when he is forced to. Put another way, the Republican politician asks himself what will sustain me if I behave as a conservative and what will sustain me if I behave as a Rino?

So this politician looks at the landscape. He considers the base and it is clear that the base of Republicans is at best split. Most want a wall but most want the music to keep on playing. In other words, they want a wall but they do not want to pay a political cost [tariffs] to get it. The Senator knows that his base is divided between committed conservatives, opportunists, special interests, and many sunshine Republicans. He reasonably concludes that there is no special pain or gain to be had either way to conclusively drive a decision to support or not to support.

The politician considers the demographics. Of course, this survey varies with the peculiar geography of his state but more and more demographics to a politician mean race, age or gender. As America turns from white to brown, this politician must be mindful of the risk that he will offend voters of color in supporting a wall. If he considers the age of his constituents, he knows that those most consistently in support of a wall are dying off and those who are young, while not consistent voters, are consistently against anything, such as a wall, which even smacks of racism. He knows their numbers are swelling rather than dying off. The Politician looks at gender and concludes that the Republican message is being rejected by women, especially by single women and the trend is worsening by the election cycle. We white male conservatives would do well to take a look at women's magazines especially those aimed at teenage girls in order to understand why it is we are losing the women's vote.

Women do not want the government shutdown, they do not clearly favor a wall, they certainly do not want to see children ripped from their mothers’ breasts. Many take their opinion from magazines which ostensibly deal with fashions and cosmetics but who are actually pious pornographers and political pornographers at that.

Next, our politician turns his attention to his donor list. The first name on that list is Mitch McConnell because McConnell, like Pelosi, holds his power because he is a fount of money at election time. McConnell has demonstrated in the last few cycles that he can make or break a Senator with few exceptions, such as Ted Cruz' insurgency in the Texas senator's initial campaign. We have seen the ruthless power of Mitch McConnell and it has not been exercised on behalf of conservatism or on behalf of those candidates who might conceivably be conservative if they gain the Senate. To the contrary, time and again we have seen Mitch McConnell use his financial clout to advance Rinos who will not challenge his power. If the politician considers other sources of money, he sees a diffuse electorate in favor of the wall and a phalanx of special interests who want cheap labor. For most senators, if the issue is to be decided on the matter of money alone, it is a no-brainer.

Finally, a Senator looks at the institutions which shape our culture and mold our opinion. If he is a conservative he is looking at a bleak desert. He considers the media and finds that he is confronted with very few exceptions in his home state by nothing but enemies. The State newspapers, the local television stations, the local radio stations and newscasts are all blatantly leftist. He must rely on national and local talk radio and some social media but otherwise the media climate is utterly hostile to conservatism.

He considers the role of opinion makers other than the media such as universities and concludes that if he presents himself as a conspicuous conservative the university culture in his state will isolate and humiliate him. He notes that the universities are becoming demographically significant tumors of liberalism in conservative states. He also notes that the reason the youngsters are opposing every conservative initiative, especially the wall, is because they have emerged from our institutions of learning fully indoctrinated.

What about the churches, he asks? Catholic or Protestant, these institutions have been subverted by the left. The open attack against Christianity has not, for the most part, caused these institutions to fight back against their leftist tormentors, rather they sacrifice their doctrine and their faith to ever more ignominious appeasements. Why should the politician go for the wall when the church will not go to the wall for him? The Catholic Church is under assault, the National Council of Churches has been fully subverted; explicitly fundamentalist faith is the subject of incessant public humiliation. There is no longer a real Christian base for conservatives that can carry the day. What about the institutions of business, are they not inherently conservative by nature? Not today. Once the left succeeds in hanging the label of a racist on any policy position they do not favor, businesses have no viable option but to play along.

So the treacherous Rino Senator, or House Representative in the mold of Paul Ryan, may be less than noble but he is fully rational. We fulminate because these people will not act against their own perceived best interest. We should be angry at ourselves for it is we who have debased our culture and left our politics to be dominated by those who immorally control the culture.

Archimedes said, give me a lever long enough and a place to stand and I will move the world. Leftists know how to move the levers which control our culture. In fact, they are so good at manipulating the culture they actually get us to pay for their manipulations.

Why do we sustain National Public Radio and National Public Television? Why in the last so-called "budget" did Planned Parenthood receive a quarter of a billion dollars from you the taxpayer? Why are we so lavishly funding global warming alarmists? We actually pay for everything we hate, we pay to call evil good and we pay to lose elections, we pay to kill babies.

Leftist control of the culture has become so invasive that the governor of the state of New York can actually safely celebrate the murder of babies in the womb seconds away from natural and healthy birth by ordering the Empire State building to be illuminated in pink light. Recall that Ted Kennedy's despicable indictment of Judge Bork was not that abortion was a positive good but that Judge Bork's opposition to abortion would lead to back-alley abortions. In Bill Clinton’s day abortions were supposed to be “rare.” Today, the governor of New York is telling us that abortion is a moral good to be flamboyantly celebrated. This far have we fallen.

Politics is downstream from culture. Yes, the president is very much alone but America will not be made great again from these skirmishes along the Potomac, the whole American moral idea must be conserved against a virulent invasive leftist culture.


47 posted on 06/05/2019 11:44:13 PM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: rintintin

I hate the GOP. Backstabbing cucks.


48 posted on 06/05/2019 11:54:29 PM PDT by AC86UT89
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To: Long Jon No Silver

The GOP has been working as a left-wing party for a long time. Remember, Goal #15 of the communists was to take over both major US political parties if they could. And they did, for the most part.


49 posted on 06/06/2019 12:08:40 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: rintintin

I think we need to follow the money. One has to ask why would senate GOP start getting nervous about tariffs on Mexican goods? Not only that but the glaring elephant in the room of the southern border invasion? (let’s call it what it is) Perhaps the dims and some members of the GOP are getting paid...by cartels in Mexico? If I’m a drug cartel boss I would want unfettered access to the southern border. In a sick way it is good business sense.


50 posted on 06/06/2019 12:22:03 AM PDT by alabama_heart
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To: rintintin
Isn't it interesting that there are no reports of Mexican politicians calling for the President of Mexico to negotiate and do something to avoid the tariffs? Are they all unified to oppose the US? Or does the media purposely try to portray the US as fractured and weak, and Mexico as strong and unified?
51 posted on 06/06/2019 1:43:09 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob ("Other People's Money" = The life blood of Liberalism)
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To: Fungi

The Stupid Party learns very well, it’s some of us who don’t.


52 posted on 06/06/2019 2:02:05 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: rintintin

133,000 apprehended in May, and they don’t catch all of them. How many more got through?


53 posted on 06/06/2019 2:10:33 AM PDT by Yogafist
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To: Yogafist

For two years, the Republicans had control of the House, Senate and Presidency and did absolutely NOTHING to stop the insanity along the border....

RINO Republicans, Democrats and the Courts have done absolutely everything to stop the President from protecting our country...

Tariffs are the only tool left in his arsenal,if 5% doesn’t get the attention of the Mexican Government, 25% might, whatever it takes it has to be done.....

Heck it would be cheaper to build a WALL on the Southern Border of Mexico or send our military into Mexico and deal with the Drug Cartels once and for all....

No Sane country would allow this type of invasion to take place, the consequences of which will play out in the coming years...


54 posted on 06/06/2019 2:48:00 AM PDT by srmanuel
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To: rintintin

They are anxious because it might work.


55 posted on 06/06/2019 3:08:14 AM PDT by McCarthysGhost
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To: nathanbedford

To summarize: GOP politicians, like almost all people, act in their perceived self interest. Self preservation is the strongest instinct driving human behavior.


56 posted on 06/06/2019 3:25:34 AM PDT by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on)
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To: Soul of the South
It is unrealistic to expect elected representatives to act contrary to their perceived self-interests. It took progressives more than a century to so shape the culture that politicians perceive their best interest to be to cling to political correctness.

Republicans have been trying to hold the line by top-down politics which are now simply being overwhelmed by the bottom up cultural/demographic revolution done to us by the left. After Trump, the deluge.

The lesson: we've got to change the very same institutions, just as progressives stole those institutions, and get our culture back. Politics is downstream from culture and liberty is downstream from politics.


57 posted on 06/06/2019 3:35:17 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: rintintin

“Tariffs are not taxes”

“Why does congress claim approval authority?”

Congress retails tax and regulation to the country through K St lobbying/intermediary industry,

Tariffs interfere with Congress’ business model-the business model that has taken Washington DC from 84th city in the nation per capita income in 2000 to number one as of 2016.

The intent of the Founding Fathers was for Fed.gov to fund itself off tariffs.

“The tariff was the main form of federal taxation over the first half of the history of this country, until the income tax emerged in 1913. There is an indisputable chronological correlation between the tariff and phenomenal economic growth. From the late 18th to the early 20th twentieth centuries, the United States steadily developed into the most successful economy in the world.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/briandomitrovic/2018/03/09/when-tariffs-worked/

For Congress to take money in return for tariff regulation would be opening Congress to charges of treason-accepting money from foreign interests and governments for legislative favor.

Taxation and regulation however... has a “established and accepted” business model.

MAGA!!!!


58 posted on 06/06/2019 3:43:46 AM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible")
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To: nathanbedford

Excellent, thank you nathanbedford


59 posted on 06/06/2019 4:05:00 AM PDT by The FIGHTIN Illini (Wake up fellow Patriots before it's too late)
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To: rintintin

The US Chamber of Commerxw has spoken!


60 posted on 06/06/2019 4:22:54 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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