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Majority of Tory members would give up Northern Ireland for Brexit
Irish Times ^ | June 18, 2019 | it

Posted on 06/19/2019 2:34:00 PM PDT by Cronos

Conservative party members would be prepared to sacrifice the union, destroy their party or suffer economic damage to get the UK out of the European Union, a poll has suggested.

The YouGov survey of party members – who will decide the next prime minister – suggests that almost half (46 per cent) would be happy to see the Brexit Party’s Nigel Farage as their new leader.

Despite the strong support for Brexit, even if it had major repercussions, Conservative and Unionist Party members indicated they would be prepared to call it off rather than see Jeremy Corbyn enter Number 10. The survey found that 63 per cent of members would be prepared to see Brexit take place even if it meant Scotland leaving the UK.

Some 61 per cent would rather Brexit took place even if it caused “significant damage” to the economy, 59 per cent would prioritise leaving the EU even if it meant Northern Ireland breaking away from the rest of the UK, and 54 per cent would accept the Tory party “being destroyed” in order to secure Brexit.

But only 39 per cent of the members who responded to the question said they would want Brexit to take place if it meant Labour leader Mr Corbyn becoming the next prime minister, with 51 per cent saying they would rather the UK did not leave the EU in order to avoid that happening.

The survey also found 26 per cent of Tory members would be happy to see Scotland leave the UK, as would 20 per cent be if Northern Ireland did so, regardless of the Brexit issue.

YouGov’s Matthew Smith said: “Conservative members are not just ideologically committed to Brexit – they also genuinely believe that the failure to deliver on the result of the 2016 referendum will bring about the destruction of the party’s electoral chances.

“Indeed, half [51 per cent ] of members believe that Britain ending up staying in the EU after all would damage the party to the extent that it will never lead a government again, and another 29 per cent think it would put the party out of power for multiple elections to come.

“By contrast, most members believe that successfully bringing about Brexit will win the Tories at least the next election.”

Another survey from Opinium found that a third of those who watched at least some of the Channel 4 leadership debate on Sunday thought Rory Stewart performed best.

Jeremy Hunt was second on 18 per cent, Dominic Raab third on 10 per cent, Sajid Javid had 9 per cent and Michael Gove was last with 6 per cent. Among Tory voters who watched the show, 24 per cent thought Mr Stewart triumphed, narrowly ahead of Mr Hunt on 22 per cent


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: borisjohnson; brexit; brexitparty; europeanunion; nato; nigelfarage; queenelizabethii; unitedkingdom

1 posted on 06/19/2019 2:34:00 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

The world-wide communist movement wants a do-over on Brexit, as well as on the impeachment of Trump. They should be careful what they wish for.


2 posted on 06/19/2019 3:05:23 PM PDT by scottinoc
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To: Cronos

I don’t claim to understand the historic place of referenda in the UK form of government. Brexit was the first I heard of it.

In any event, it appears to be what Americans would regard as “the law of the land.” Unfortunately, there wasn’t a due date for exiting the European Union.


3 posted on 06/19/2019 3:11:42 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Cronos

So after spending hundreds of years subjugating the Irish, they’ll now give it up so they don’t have to live with banana regulations?


4 posted on 06/19/2019 3:17:26 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: Cronos

Considering the fact that Ireland voted for abortion,I’d give it away for nuttin.


5 posted on 06/19/2019 3:49:46 PM PDT by HighSierra5
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To: Cronos

But what if Northern Irish don’t want to leave the UK?


6 posted on 06/19/2019 3:57:38 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Cronos
Were were they a hundred years ago?

It would have saved a lot of trouble.

7 posted on 06/19/2019 4:05:19 PM PDT by x
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To: Cronos

Northern Ireland has consistently been the strongest supporters of the UK, including England itself, and now the conservative party wants to abandon Northern Ireland? Go figure.


8 posted on 06/19/2019 4:42:26 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Jacquerie
From Wiki...

The Government of the United Kingdom has also to date held eleven major referendums within the constituent countries of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland on issues of devolution, sovereignty and independence; the first such referendum was the 1973 Northern Ireland border poll and, as of 2018, the most recent is the 2014 Scottish independence referendum.

Plus three National ones - two on the Europe and one on Alternative Voting.

9 posted on 06/19/2019 4:45:01 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: Cronos
26 per cent of Tory members would be happy to see Scotland leave the UK, as would 20 per cent be if Northern Ireland did so, regardless of the Brexit issue.

Don't they care about THE Open?

ML/NJ

10 posted on 06/19/2019 4:48:09 PM PDT by ml/nj (.)
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To: sasportas

“Northern Ireland has consistently been the strongest supporters of the UK, including England itself, and now the conservative party wants to abandon Northern Ireland? Go figure.”

I’m thinking that it might be the other way around. Northern Ireland has an open border with Ireland (due to both countries being in the EU) and they like that arrangement, as I understand it. So they prefer to separate if Brexit happens, rather than put up checkpoints and limits on trade. So, perhaps, the Tories are saying that they’d accept Northern Ireland leaving, if it meant being able to pull out of the EU.


11 posted on 06/19/2019 5:34:38 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: ml/nj
If Scotland and Northern Ireland were to leave the UK that would leave what— England and Wales? Wow.
12 posted on 06/19/2019 8:12:01 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Power is more often surrendered than seized.)
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To: PGR88

The Tory Elite scum surrendered to the IRA scum years ago. The people of Northern Ireland will, as usual, be the ones who pay for it.


13 posted on 06/19/2019 9:45:47 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Jacquerie

Referenda were considered against the British political system and only used by fascist states.

This referendum was only the third in British history and was shambolically arranged, with it being purely advisory and non binding as well as not putting a cut off on the total % of the electorate who should vote one way or the other (37% of the total electorate voted leave)

It was not the law of the land. What triggered the call for article 50 was parliament voting to do so in October 2016.

Remember, in the UK PARLIAMENT is sovereign NOT the people.

And there was and IS a due date to leave the EU. It was initially 29 March 2019 but the UK has twice begged to delay it


14 posted on 06/19/2019 10:12:12 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: PGR88

It seems like 56% or more want to leave.

However, ultimately it is Westminster who decides.


15 posted on 06/19/2019 10:14:19 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Yup, the United Kingdom of England and Wales.


16 posted on 06/19/2019 10:15:47 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: HighSierra5

You are mixing up the Republic of Ireland which is an independent state with Northern Ireland which is a captive nation of the UK.

Here are the abortion laws in the three entities

Republic of Ireland - abortion allowed until 12 weeks.

UK except northern Ireland - abortion freely permitted until 24 weeks ie six months. And even after if mothers life and health affected

Northern Ireland. Only if mothers life or health or foetus health affected.


17 posted on 06/20/2019 1:29:08 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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