Posted on 08/01/2019 6:56:02 AM PDT by bitt
One of the key assumptions promulgated by the Mueller report was basically ignored during the July 24 congressional hearings with the former special counsel.
Amid all the back and forth, and the often-hapless hemming and hawing by Robert Mueller, no one questioned the report’s contention that the Russians interfered in our election in large part to get Donald Trump elected.
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If they could elect Trump, the theory goes, the Russians would have covert control of the White House by blackmailing Trump over his planned Moscow hotel or something like that.
As someone who has been to the Soviet Union and then the Russian Republic several times, this strikes me as a serious (possibly deliberate) misreading of how the Russians operate and how their intelligence agencies—the KGB in its new guise, the FSB—operate.
To begin with, the Russians were reading the same polls we were that gave the likelihood of a Trump victory as somewhere between slim and none. Why waste their efforts in favor of Donald, even assuming they wanted to?
More importantly, there’s the matter of the Steele dossier. This repugnant and now widely discredited document had plenty of unpleasant things to say about Donald Trump, from the allegation that he engaged in an elaborate conspiracy with Russia to the ludicrous accusation of the existence of the so-called “pee tape.”
As Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) said to Mueller during the hearings, the salacious details in the dossier could only have come from two sources–former UK spy Christopher Steele making them up himself or Russian contacts feeding him the dubious information. (A combination of the two is also possible.) If it’s the latter,
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Hard to believe Russia would want a patriot, fighter, hard-dealing competitor as POTUS here. My gut tells my they preferred Clinton(s).
With the Clintons’ proclivity toward helping our enemies (Chicoms, U1), and her pushing socialism and gun control like a good comrade, and knowing her plans would weaken us and our military, why would they not want her in?
To believe the Russians were seriously investing in a Trump presidency, you would have to think they knew more about the American electorate than any of our pollsters, pundits and officials.
Prior to Election Day, nobody seriously gave Trump a chance of winning. The only question was “ how bad will he lose”.
The Russians wanted electoral chaos and a weakened Clinton as President.
“Did the Russians Really Want Trump to Win?
No f’n way they could have made vast inroads in reshaping America with Hillary in power for eight years.
A rival and potential enemy would certainly prefer a weak, corrupt, self-serving career politician over a strong, America first, non-politician businessman who can’t be intimidated or bought.
In a word, “No.”
Why? Vladimir Putin is quoted as having said that the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th Century was the dissolution of the USSR. Putin was right in the middle of what was going on, as a mid- to high-level KGB agent. If ANYONE on the entire planet knows what happened to the USSR, Putin does.
So what happened to the USSR? Ronald Reagan and William Casey happened, that’s what. Reagan had the vision to destroy the USSR - to put it on the ash heap of History. Casey, as his CIA Director and a man very well acquainted with destroying a hostile nation, was given the authority to do whatever it took to accomplish the task. What was Casey’s experience in this realm? He worked hand-in-hand with “Wild” Bill Donovan, head of the OSS during WW2, to find out what the critical choke points were in the Nazi economy/war machine. Because of what Casey (and others) found, we went hammer and tongs against the Ploesti oil fields in Romania and the Schweinfurt ball bearing manufacturing facilities. We paid a heavy price for doing those (and other) things to choke the German war machine, but they had their effect...and Casey took those lessons and applied them to the USSR.
So Reagan ramped up defense spending, so as to force the Soviets to spend enormous resources on a non-productive bunch of goods. He (at the advice of Casey) did everything possible to stop the twin gas pipelines that the Soviets wanted to use to earn $20 billion/year. He delayed it for 2 years ($40 billion) and then the Soviets were able to only use 1 of the pipes (another $10 billion/year). He (again at Casey’s recommendation) made a deal with the Saudis to defend their country and regime, in return for them buying LOADS of expensive equipment from us and ramping up oil production like crazy. They upped production from about 3 MBD to over 12 MBD in about 6 months, crushing oil (and natural gas) prices - which crushed Soviet hard currency revenue (they got about 2/3 of their foreign currency earnings from oil and natural gas, same as now, btw). We also cooperated with the Poles in their revolt, armed the Afghans that were shooting at the Russians and sent them on a very time-consuming and costly snipe hunt WRT computer technology.
So, what does this have to do with Trump, you may ask? Very simple: he essentially promised to do the same thing as Reagan - ramp up both defense spending and oil/natural gas production (although, due to fracking and our ultra-large reserves of shale oil, we didn’t need the Saudis to do it for us this time around). The effect on the (New York State-sized) Russian economy would be about the same as the effect that the Reagan-Casey strategy had on the Soviet economy - it would hurt them, BADLY. For that reason, there is no possible way that Putin would have wanted Trump. Hillary wasn’t saying anything about a military build-up (and had a long-earned reputation of hating the military and urging cut-backs on spending), and was 100% behind the idea of restricting oil and NG exploration and production (all the better to help the “donors” to the Clinton “Foundation”). Oh, and then there was Uranium One...guaranteed that old Vlad has a file several feet thick sitting in his Kremlin office on all that Hillary had to do with selling control of 20% of our uranium reserves to Russian companies, and the quid pro quo of $145 million of “contributions” to the Clinton “Foundation,” not to mention (well, OK, I will) the extraordinarily large payments to Bill Clinton for given a few speeches in Russia.
Putin would only have wanted Trump over Hillary if he was short on information, logic and love of his own country...which NO ONE on the planet claims applies to him.
And also would share her 33,000 deleted emails with her.
Because Russians had failed to realise that for Russophobia neocon lunatics (affiliated with GOP), Trump is expandable.
Not entirely off topic; Chuck Schumer’s warning to Trump:
“Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” said Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer Tuesday evening on MSNBC after host Rachel Maddow informed him that intelligence sources told NBC news that the briefing had not been delayed.
And, since that comment drew no outrage, it is apparently taken for granted in the upper echelons of our government. Who runs the country?
Lol.
So genuine anti-Russia warrior Trump faced the ordeal of Mueller probe (which was endorsed by GOP and Dem), and his DOJ failed to find any wrongdoings of Hillary in Uranium One.
Logic?
“And so what if there were Russians who wanted him to win? There were EU socialists and de-genderizers who wanted him to lose.”
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Good point.
Anti-Russia lunatic (John McCain) is neocons’ favorite, majority of Trump supporters are not McCainocrats.
I think you call this the lesser of evils unless they had enough on HC to push her buttons when they needed her.
rwood
No logic - just the power of the Deep State on display. “His” DOJ is chock full of Obamaoids, throwing sand and monkey-wrenches into the works at every opportunity.
Oh, and if you think that the entire Republican Party is on board with Trump...well, you haven’t been paying attention. Most of them are, in this respect, no different than the Dems when it comes to Trump: “It’s a big club, but you’re not in it.”
Good question but one really has to expand their thinking to understand who really is trying to control the whole world or trying to set up globalism/one-world government.
If you look at this from the point of Hilliary being a globalist banker’s puppet, Donald Trump as an outsider, and Russia not a part of the globalist central bank system, it’s pretty easy to figure out what side the Russians would hope to be on. Granted, Russia may have its own corruption but they don’t want any part of being in a globalist system.
Just think if Hilliary had won, her central bankers puppet masters would have eventually used her to punish Russia for not participating in their globalist system. Her puppet masters, the central bankers, don’t care if it comes to war to get what they want.
Which made the possibility of a nuclear exchange and war with Russia a high possibility if Hilliary was running the show. It achieves 2 goals for the evil central bankers, one to punish Russia and to continue to bring down this country to third world status and easier for the central bankers to control.
I’m sure the Russians knew what was at stake either way and would have prepared but by the miracle of electing Donald Trump as President, we ALL really dodged a terrible bullet.
CGato
Oh hell no.why do you think the russians had been funneling moula to the klintons?
Of course not. Hillary Clinton is a Marxist who indulged them as SoS.
Consider the possibility she might have been setting the Russians up for a future confrontation when she was president. Keep in mind, the globalists play the long game, just look at the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 as one huge example.
CGato
So.... if you are the Russian government and you want to destroy the US, you just put Democrats in all the offices.
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