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To: Pravious

What’s more pressing is what was going on inside this house as the sister’s problem and his actions are NOT coincidental.

We here forget that mom and pop may have set the stage for this insanity sometimes.

We promote VERY MUCH mom and pop family values here.

Well it works the other way too. When mom and pop’s values suck or are even warped, BAD things can happen.


5 posted on 08/10/2019 4:17:43 AM PDT by dp0622 (Bad, bad company Till the day I die.)
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To: dp0622

Excellent point.


6 posted on 08/10/2019 4:24:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick (It's the guitar solo! Everybody polka!!!)
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To: dp0622

There is also the image of the shooter in front of an Antifa flag, and another of him with a bunch of tattoos and wearing a dress. If those images are real, it would seem that both he and his sister were sexually confused.

Transgenderism is mostly a social contagion today (and increasing daily). Hmm. I wonder if the shooter identifying as a woman created hostility towards his sister that she would want to be a man? (Men are evil, hence his desire to be a woman?)

The transgender activists will no doubt say this was a hate crime against transgenders, and will use it to further the “Equality” Act.


7 posted on 08/10/2019 4:25:23 AM PDT by 21twelve (!)
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To: dp0622

When mom and pop’s values suck or are even warped, BAD things can happen.
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This is true. Yet:
what do you say when conservative parents who never once slacked off on their kids and blessed them with love, discipline,encouragement, a close extended family,examples of faith, frugality, humility, a religious education and examples of service wake up one day to a gay child and another child who who is too liberal to leave Seattle (Austin, Portland, wherever) and unable to commit to any other human being. The parents are shellshocked and blame themselves, but it is the culture.

Who do you blame when the conventional, hardworking,self-educated and successful parents who rarely even had ibuprofen in the house, are ground down by the child who cannot go a day without drugs, ends up hospitalized and in rehab? The parents are there with tough love and forgiveness, but by then, the child has a cascade of complications and interactions, ends up with a drug combo syndrome and is now disabled.

The accepted, supported,child of who would rather lie and hack their grades than apply their own well-nurtured gifts?

The child who would rather abuse toddlers than take a risk and face rejection from peers?

Some of these examples are current adult children of now elderly, conventional traditionalists. Some are memories from 60 years ago. Some are millennials.

Most of these examples I know from finding out about peers, way back in the conservative day. Some are current and include Gen-Xer children in their 40s & 50s. One is personal painful experience. One is totally true of 2 different families, neither of whom had anything wack in their lives, ever. All these children were blessed. One is even a staunch political conservative.

All of these parents fought the culture. In the end, the culture won. None of the examples turned into mass murderers. I believe that takes a confluence of events and influences and is more prevalent now, but just because they didn’t shoot up masses of people doesn’t mean they couldn’t have.

Video games? Violent, abusive music? Misplaced *love* and *support* from supposed mentors with their own agenda? Material temptation? You can find examples of good people with ruined children as far back as the Bible.

And what do you say to the children of parents who were cons, drunks, druggies, absent, unfaithful, demanding and manipulative who, none-the-less overcame a rotten hand to become fine human beings despite the same culture?

There are weak humans. There is a manipulative culture hell-bent on co-option and destruction for political ends. There are those exposed early to this rot who reject it and heal themselves enough to gain the strength to resist. Others just drown in the maelstrom.

There are millions of stories and it is always shocking when they involve the people who followed the old, foundational rules and still lost the fight. It’s been going on for millennia.

Don’t be so quick to blame what went on inside the house. Some call it Leviathan or Satan. I call it the culture and it is implacable.


41 posted on 08/10/2019 5:32:53 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: dp0622
What’s more pressing is what was going on inside this house as the sister’s problem and his actions are NOT coincidental.

My first thought also.

47 posted on 08/10/2019 5:49:49 AM PDT by SisterK (its a spiritual war)
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To: dp0622
When mom and pop’s values suck or are even warped. . .

. . . then they are not mom and pop values, strictly speaking. I know we're all on the same page here:

Mom and Pop values are from God's law. When people stray from that in extravagantly sick ways--ceasing even to be the "good enough" parents sufficient to produce a predictably sane child--they're writing their own crazy script. And it's the wrong one.

48 posted on 08/10/2019 5:50:06 AM PDT by SamuraiScot (am)
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To: dp0622

I hadn’t read down this far when I posted my comment. What a sh!t show that house must have been.

I am all for allowing kids to “find their way” an all...but someone is off in the house if your get two like this in there.

Maybe “radon”? /s


76 posted on 08/10/2019 7:26:04 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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