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Police trying to determine if Ohio homeowner was justified in killing two teens
CBS ^ | August 29, 2019 | none given

Posted on 08/30/2019 4:03:49 PM PDT by xxqqzz

The families of two teenagers who were shot and killed after allegedly trespassing outside a home in Dayton, Ohio, are demanding accountability. The homeowner admitted he shot Javier Harrison and Devin Henderson on Wednesday. Police said the teens may have been involved in drug activity on the property.

Police are trying to determine whether this is a case of justifiable self-defense. Jimmy Harrison, Javier Harrison's father, said the unidentified homeowner knew his son, but police haven't confirmed that.

"I want answers," Jimmy Harrison said.

Harrison said he feels like the shooting was premeditated.

"It wasn't in your house, it was in the garage," Harrison said. "You seeing some perps out there at your garage, you know, so my first instinct is call the police. I feel like he took the law into his own hands."

The homeowner told police he saw a light in his garage Wednesday and found three people sitting inside a car. Police said he fired his revolver multiple times, killing the two teens. The third person ran away but returned when police arrived.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: castledoctrine; selfdefense; shooting; trespassers
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There was a thread with a lot of replies before. There is a little more information here. A third teen ran away from the shooting homeowner, but returned and told the police what happened. He was charged with breaking and entering. The police suspect they were doing drugs in the garage. The homeowner has not been charged yet. It was a detached garage. I can see how someone could go out armed to investigate and get scared seeing the 3 of them there.
1 posted on 08/30/2019 4:03:49 PM PDT by xxqqzz
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"Teens."

I didn't need to look.

2 posted on 08/30/2019 4:08:11 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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What is this “logic” that says, “oh, it wasn’t in his house - it was ‘just’ in his garage, so therefore the owner should not have defended himself”? Property is property - get off my lawn!


3 posted on 08/30/2019 4:09:19 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (< < Wandering aimfully > >)
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Stay the hell out of other people’s garages.


4 posted on 08/30/2019 4:09:44 PM PDT by Clarancebeaks
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To: Hegemony Cricket

Agreed.


5 posted on 08/30/2019 4:10:20 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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I can see how someone could go out armed to investigate and get scared seeing the 3 of them there.

There was a similar thread last year, with most freepers saying to be careful before shooting, me among them. One freeper criticized me, saying it's better to shoot into the dark garage and stay alive. I said no, you must know your target before shooting. Other incidents have happened where homeowners shot and killed their own teenage children who came in through the garage at night.

If you feel threatened by someone your garage, be armed and ready to repel the threat but best to get some light on the target and be sure it isn't a harmless threat. In this case, homeowner had light in the garage and fired away. He's in trouble, if there was no weapon on the intruders.

6 posted on 08/30/2019 4:13:24 PM PDT by roadcat
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I agree


7 posted on 08/30/2019 4:15:02 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

I agree.

If you’re going on someone’s property ... and the owner is unaware or has not invited you, “expect anything”.


8 posted on 08/30/2019 4:17:21 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I Love Bull Markets!)
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To: roadcat
He's in trouble, if there was no weapon on the intruders.

That depends on the details. Three to one odds are an immediate danger in my book if any of the three makes a threatening move.

9 posted on 08/30/2019 4:18:34 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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Other incidents have happened where homeowners shot and killed their own teenage children who came in through the garage at night.

Something similar happened to a lady at church. Her grown daughter was walking in her bedroom with the lights off. The son-in-law, her husband woke up in the dark, assumed it was an intruder, grabbed his gun and shot, killing his wife instantly.

10 posted on 08/30/2019 4:18:42 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: BunnySlippers

There’s this wrinkle called the law.
If the home owner didn’t say he feared for his life, he is going to prison for a long time.

Whether or not you think he, or you, “should” be able to smoke anyone on your property is meaningless.


11 posted on 08/30/2019 4:21:10 PM PDT by EEGator
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From the article:

“The homeowner told police he saw a light in his garage Wednesday and found three people sitting inside a car.”

If he shot them sitting in a car, he is done.


12 posted on 08/30/2019 4:22:35 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Just shout out, “It’s Comin’ Right For Us!” and you’ll be fine.


13 posted on 08/30/2019 4:23:15 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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The Uncle Jimbo defense...nice.

You need a good lawyer though...


14 posted on 08/30/2019 4:25:01 PM PDT by EEGator
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“Just this year, Ohio joined many other states in requiring prosecutors to prove a homeowner did not act in self-defense”.

Your honor, the young men started toward me simultaneously and I was overwhelmed with fear...because I knew they were crazy or on some kind of dope making them crazy. Otherwise, they would not be in my garage.

Or, if they were in a car...

One of them turned to me rapidly, and I knew they were crazy (for the above reasons) and I thought I saw a gun in his hand.

Mr. Prosecutor prove that’s not what happened.


15 posted on 08/30/2019 4:25:47 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Facts are not all out yet. But shooting people that aren’t threatening your life is a no no.


16 posted on 08/30/2019 4:26:45 PM PDT by George Rand (-- I can't befriend liberals because I won't befriend ignorance --)
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I’m leaning towards bad shoot on this one


17 posted on 08/30/2019 4:27:59 PM PDT by Jeff Vader
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Her grown daughter was walking in her bedroom with the lights off.

It's a good thing my gun is on my side of the bed. I often walk in and out of the bedroom in the middle of the night with the lights off; I know my way around the house in the dark. The worst I'm facing is my wife clobbering me with the baseball bat she keeps on her side of the bed.

18 posted on 08/30/2019 4:29:52 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Hegemony Cricket

“What is this “logic” that says, “oh, it wasn’t in his house - it was ‘just’ in his garage, so therefore the owner should not have defended himself”?

Unfortunately, that is the legal STANDARD for the police. They can go into a detached garage, your backyard or any of your property to check out anything they find suspicious. Without a warrant. Just not into your domicile.


19 posted on 08/30/2019 4:30:03 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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“I want answers,” Jimmy Harrison said.

Here’s the answer, Mr. Harrison.

Your son is dead.

That’s the bottom line.

Whatever happens after that is of far, far less importance, is it not?


20 posted on 08/30/2019 4:30:54 PM PDT by chris37 (Monday, March 25 2019 is Maga Day!)
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