Posted on 09/03/2019 6:16:01 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
“1. How do they know he failed a background check?
2. Are they keeping a history of all background checks so they can go back and see if you failed, or if you had one, if something happens?”
I’d like to know WHY he failed a background check. He had non-disqualifying misdemeanors in 2001 when he was 18. To fail, he’d have have to have something on his record to show him unfit. Otherwise, he could just lie about drug use, mental illness, etc. As for how he got the gun, he could legally have bought it from an acquaintance or coworker.
Funny how often the FBI knows the shooters but never seems to want to do anything to stop them.
There was no electricity available 150 years ago and even a century ago it was only available in developed areas. Humans survived without electricity for millions of years.
The cops were (reportedly) trying to pull him over for failure to use a turn signal when the incident began. To be fair, there are the Barney Fifes of this world who are itching to write a ticket for the slightest offense, but if law enforcement followed that standard strictly, they could never respond to more serious crimes, because they’d spend 95% of their time pulling over motorists.
It has been reported that cops were trailing the suspect after his phone calls to local police and the FBI and being fired from his job. The “failure to use a turn signal” was the pretext to bring him in, and it failed horribly. Then, he speeds off towards Midland, shooting people at random, and law enforcement doesn’t catch up with him until the suspect reaching the parking lot of that movie theater.
Oh, and the gunman had a Beto sticker on his car. No wonder the media is losing interest so fast.
The police really worked hard to ignore this guy
Why police act:
1. The victim is a cop or family member
2. Publicity
3. Possibility of $ (fines or forfeitures)
4. Possibility of kicking someone’s butt
5. The victim is famous
6. Politics
“AR-style rifle”
In case anyone missed it, this is the new Democrat talking point. “AR-15 Assault Rifle” is no longer part of the lexicon.
Sad, but true. You’ve crystallized what’s been playing in the back of my head for years. Basically, we’re dead ducks. (Disclaimer: I’m a pessimist)
Here in the northeast/mid-Atlantic, there are some private "roads" that are more like shared driveways leading to multiple dwellings. Is that what is meant by the term "illegal subdivision"? Around here, they tend to be located deep in the woods. Some of those "roads" lead to nice homes, but, of course, some others lead to rundown shacks.
Nor were the laws intended to make crime go down. They were stepping stone for more stricter laws that the sheep hoped would bring crime down. And so on and so on. What the sheep refuse to confront is that the politicians are not interested in crime going down. What the politicians want is the general public completely and totally disarmed. And they will use the “reducing crime” issue to accomplish it. The village idiot can see what they are doing. But educated people cannot. I believe it is a case of will not.
Sounds like kind of the same situation. There is no official recording by the county of these “illegal subdivisions” so no record of the streets, which are private streets.
There was a stir here awhile back because some people at a mobile home park wanted the county to fix their road, but it turned out it was an “illegal subdivision”, so the county refused and told the residents there they have to pay for the upkeep themselves.
These are always outside a city limits, that I know of, so some are in very rural areas, but some are on the edge of a city limits in developed areas.
Maybe he made the gun. It’s not rocket science.
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That will provide some info......
Same around here, with most being deep in the woods. But, as you pointed out, some are in developed areas.
And some are in plain view, but most people don't notice them. I once had to share a ride with another passenger, and our ride turned off a main road onto an unmarked "side road" leading behind some buildings. I'd driven past that "side road" countless times and never noticed it. It was kind of hidden. There were multiple dwellings back there with some shady characters standing around. Fellow passenger admitted there were no utilities hooked up but claimed the living arrangement was temporary.
“...property he bought...didn’t really have streets...I suspect that he showed up with a license that showed X-address, and once they ran the background check...the check came back to say such-and-such street didn’t exist, so they couldn’t advance the purchase (legally).” [pepsionice, post 14]
“...you need a ‘current’ address on your license or some other bill showing residence address. Sounds like he had neither.” [Magnum44, post 15]
“probably ...’illegal subdivision’...common problem in Texas. Someone buys a chunk of land, divides it up themselves and makes their own roads, then never registers it with the county.” [Tejas Rob, post 24]
“...you have to install your own pole and then the electric company comes and hooks you up...” [Tejas Rob, post 26]
I worked part time more than 13 years for a small family-owned gun dealership in western South Dakota.
When it comes to buying guns, the “no street address” problem is common in outlying rural areas: post office box or rural-route numbers were on drivers’ licenses (they may still be). Before 2006 or so the National Instant Check System administrators allowed a prospective gun buyer to use these residence designators on the ATF Form 4473.
Then the rules changed: if buyers did not have a street address, they had to write directions to their residence on the form (example: turn south from US Hwy 20 onto 248th Ave, go 5.0 miles, turn west onto County Road S, go 2.7 miles, turn north onto unmarked gravel road just past two-story brick building, go north 1.2 miles. Residence is white-painted one-story house on left with a red roof).
These days, dealers are not even permitted submit a prospective buyer’s name to NICS unless they give a street address or the information mentioned above, backed up by documentation.
Such remote spots can get electrical power in several ways:
Some pirate power from the grid, connecting directly to a transmission line, or they string their own cables to a neighbor who is connected. Neighbor gets paid under the table. Illegal, unsafe.
Some obtain or assemble their own local power systems: generators that run on gasoline, diesel, steam, wind. Many of these are supplemental or emergency-only and their owners are connected to the grid already.
More and more are buying solar-cell arrays; on sunny days, their storage batteries can satisfy their requirements longer than overnight. If they are connected to the grid, they are allowed to sell their surpluses back to the co-op.
Still others have their own small reservoirs equipped with hydro-electric plants.
And some do without - just like everybody on earth did before 1870 or so.
Well, over here in East Texas, we have plenty of them deep in the woods. We actually have trees here, a lot of ‘em.
But out in Odessa and that area it’s just a big open, flat land of beer and fornication.
I’m still not sure exactly where this shack thing he lived in is, if it’s in the city limits of Odessa or outside the city.
This is ANOTHER huge failure by the FBI.
I’ll give you benefit of the doubt on the accuracy of the incident. But, as someone that has done quite a few pretextual stops, there’s usually more than one or two cop cars in the area. There’s usually some surveillance going and following the guy before the marked car comes in to do the stop. The dashcam of whatever patrol cars were at the scene would explain a great deal, but something tells me those were malfunctioning that day. Additionally, there is going to be radio traffic between the patrol cars initiating the stop and others or dispatch.
But, I wasn’t there. So who knows. I”m certainly not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying that your comment just begets more questions, IMHO.
“1. How do they know he failed a background check?
2. Are they keeping a history of all background checks so they can go back and see if you failed...” [KrisKrinkle, post 22]
“I’d like to know WHY he failed a background check...he’d have had to have something on his record to show him unfit...” [myerson, post 41]
There is more than one type of background check.
In addition to that required by federal law (National Instant Check System), some states & local governments mandate their own. All are conducted differently and take varying lengths of time to complete (I once worked for a small dealership in South Dakota; working with NICS was one of my tasks).
NICS is administered by the FBI and operated by contractor personnel. The dealer (or employee) phones in the personal identifying information of the prospective buyer plus the type of firearm to be purchased (handgun, long gun, or receiver) and is put on hold. After a short delay (rarely longer than a few minutes), the NICS employee gives the dealer’s employee one of three responses: approved, delayed, or denied. A unique alphanumeric identifier is assigned to the transaction by NICS and is given to the dealer, who must write it on the ATF Form 4473.
If “approved,” the transaction is completed and the buyer takes possession of the firearm.
If “delayed,” the transaction is paused for a defined length of time (something like three business days as I recall) while - presumably - federal agencies conduct additional inquiries. If NICS personnel do not call the dealer back inside that time period, the dealer may complete the transaction and transfer the firearm to the buyer.
If NICS people call back earlier with an approval, the dealer may complete the transaction and transfer the firearm to the buyer immediately.
If “denied” is the response, the dealer is not allowed to transfer the firearm.
If the buyer declines to complete an approved transfer, or never returns to pick up their firearm, these facts are recorded on the Form 4473. An approval is valid for about a month.
Whatever response NICS gives the dealer, the dealer must retain the completed Form 4473 for an extended period (it used to be 20 years for approved or delayed transfers; denied transfers must be filed separately and retained for five years).
At no time during an instant check do NICS people ask a requesting dealer the details of the firearm to be transferred (make, model, caliber, serial number etc). Federal officials insist they are not compiling central lists of who buys what, and when; dealers of course have no way to verify such assertions. If a delay or denial occurs, no information as to “why” is disclosed to the dealer, and the dealer is not permitted to assist the prospective buyer in learning anything. A denial may be appealed; the most the dealer is permitted to do is to furnish federally printed forms and pamphlets telling a denied buyer how and where to submit an appeal.
NICS often contacts dealers after the fact, to determine the final disposition of a particular firearm that has already been transferred. This activity is called “tracing.”
Dealers are required to keep a record of all firearms acquisitions & dispositions in permanently bound logbooks, which must be retained until the dealer goes out of business. On leaving business, dealers are required to forward the logs and any surviving Forms 4473 to the NICS Operations Center. Once sent there, the are not being entered into any computer databases, or so agency officials state.
By requiring dealers to retain transfer forms and logs, and by requiring dealers to comb through them any time a trace ins required on a particular firearm, federal officials are getting cost-free help for records storage, screening, and search.
Police, Federal Police, all authorities FAILED. But we are supposed to believe removing my God-given right to defend myself and my property is going to help?
“...Police, Federal Police, all authorities FAILED. But we are supposed to believe removing my God-given right to defend myself and my property is going to help?...”
Yep. That’s the communist party’s plan to disarm us. They’ve been working hard at it for quite awhile now.
The FIB knew this guy...It would be no surprise that he was actually one of theirs to start with...MK ULTRA zombie gone bad? Who knows. Whatever it is, they needed time to scrub all their stinking BS before releasing the name. THEY are at fault for this...NOT us.
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