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Posted on 09/12/2019 2:00:13 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
A Virginia state judge ruled Wednesday that statues of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson that were at the center of 2017 protests must remain standing in Charlottesville, Va.
Circuit Judge Richard Moore ruled that Virginia state law prohibits moving war memorials and that moving the statues would break that law.
Moore issued a permanent injunction preventing the statues from being moved at the beginning of a trial over a lawsuit brought against the city by groups that wanted to preserve the statues.
People pressing for the statues to be moved argued it was wrong to celebrate generals who had fought to preserve slavery. But Moore seemed to argue that the statues themselves did not have such a meaning.
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You should read something about Robert E. Lee and cure your ignorance on the subject.
Robert E. Lee was one of the finest Americans who ever lived.
(I was born in Wisconsin from upstate NY parents going back many generations, Yankee)
And that was all kicked off by Nikki Haley.
I’m sure you’re right. Now the General Lee, I could have some fun with. YeeeHaww!
Indeed, which was the real point of my post. He was an important American figure, love him or hate him, and there is a reason why his memorials/monuments exist. Instead of tearing them down, use them to teach. We live in a day and age where many different perspectives on many topics can be shared instantly. These sites have many different possible messages to share and should be preserved and enhanced, not torn down and blotted out as if history didn’t exist. Imagine going to a town square, seeing a statue, and being able to instantly download a short (or long) podcast/video interactive by someone of some authority, or someone with expertise, or just about anyone (since user-ratings will serve to validate the content) who has information to share. That is my point. The left is still fighting the last war, as ever. They have an opportunity they cannot see, or do not care to capitalize. So does the right and the non-partisans who can teach about art, civics, culture, the placement etc etc. Why tear down when you can build up?
Robert E. Lee was a great man and a great American of Virginian descent.
He bore a great burden when he made his decision that the the State of Virginia was an individual State with rights guaranteed under the Constitution of the United States.
The 10th Amendment of the Constitution precluded the Federal Government imposing it’s will on those states that chose secession.
Robert E. Lee was first last and always a Virginian; just as most military formations of the Civil War, both North and South represented their Individual States, not necessarily the Union as a whole.
A few examples would be;
1: 20th Main Volunteer Infantry Regiment (union).
2: 140th New York Infantry Regiment (union).
3: The Michigan Brigade (union).
4: Alabama 26th Infantry Regiment (confederate).
5: Louisiana Tigers (confederate).
6: 1st North Carolina Cavalry Regiment (confederate).
When this unit was surrendered in 1865 there were only 8 men left out of the entire Regiment.
A lot of these unit names are still used today in the United States Army.
A lot of brave men fought and died not for slavery, but against what they believed to be an out of control Federal Government trampling their States Rights.
Eisenhower Explains About General Lee (1957), video
In the summer of 1960, Mr. Eisenhower received a letter from a man who objected to the president’s expression of admiration for the great Civil War general. This was his response:
August 9, 1960
Dear Dr. Scott:
Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.
General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.
From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.
Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.
Sincerely,
Dwight D. Eisenhower
I know a few gentlemen from Virginia, and each of them share a similar quality in that they pride themselves in being Virginians. Even those who don’t live there anymore make the effort to point out that it is the state of their birth and rearing. Just an anecdote.
If they really have problems remembering the names of those they claim to detest, they ought to put a self-imposed ban on mentioning Hitler....but they admire him despite atrocities that make the slave issue "pale" by comparison (sorry, couldn't help muhself..)
It's never good to hide principal behind technicalities - all the opponent has to do is remove the technicality and you're left with your Johnson in your hand and no position.
Q: Can anyone tell me where there is a statue of Benedict Arnold? Not a boot, mind you, of the man...?
Just curious.
Does England have a statue for George Washington?
He was a slave owner & a traitor who waged war against the government.
Just curious.
Yep, you’re right. She inflicted her own type of damage on S.C. I hope we’ve seen the last of her.
How valuable such expositions would be. The best history comes from those who allow you to live into and through a period as the panorama unfolds in all its complexity. The left wants to distort events into a four panel Sunday morning cartoon reinforcing their ideology.
Thanks, I agree. The left wants all the control - over what you think, what you hear, what you say, what you do. They don’t want any kind of open debate or exploration of context and they don’t even appreciate the many complexities, as you called them, involved with any kind of exposition or exploration. Truly a destructive ideology they have these days. They miss a lot of opportunities to advance their own ideas by crushing, or attempting to crush, the spirit of others who don’t conform uniformly to their agenda.
Stacey Abrams is mentally right in there with Taliban thugs... Those lowlifes took out a 1,700 year old statue of Buddha because it 'offended their religion'...
What vile people... Stancy AND the Tailban... two peas in a pod. Afraid of history - afraid of reality...
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/1326063/After-1700-years-Buddhas-fall-to-Taliban-dynamite.html
A Buddha of Bamiyan statue stands over 150 feet high above a small town situated at the foot of the Hindu Kush mountains of central Afghanistan, prior to its destruction
After failing to destroy the 1,700-year-old sandstone statues of Buddha with anti-aircraft and tank fire, the Taliban brought a lorryload of dynamite from Kabul. A Western observer said: "They drilled holes into the torsos of the two statues and then placed dynamite charges inside the holes to blow them up."
Judgement is correct.
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