Posted on 09/15/2019 11:07:21 AM PDT by SkyPilot
Ditto that, bigtime.
But it was a tacit admission of the culpability of an inanimate object. Any give to the left is unacceptable IMHO.
Um, wrong.
We need to be careful and accurate, unlike the MSM.
The local dealers form 4473 does record the SN#, and must be retained for twenty years.
The “Bound Book” is retained for as long as the dealer remains in business.
Then it is sent to ATF where they illegally attempt to use it to create a national data-base of firearms and their owners.
Does not work well as we are a very mobile society.
But NICS checks do NOT get the SN# of the firearm being purchased.
They only get the type of firearm or action, “Long gun”, “Pistol”, “Receiver”, or “Other”.
I wasn’t aware that all of that is checked, however, it all ends up in the same database, IF....BIG IF....it’s been entered properly.
What I find interesting about your post, which I’m not arguing is, the information that can be checked. But...how many agencies, entities, hospitals, institutions, know that they should be providing that information or know how. Especially when we have HIPPA and the potential for lawsuits due to releasing someone’s medical history.
Then toss in how hard the Left fought to keep people from being involuntarily committed and it would seem virtually impossible to get some of that information into the database or even get someone to seek the proper treatment and have it documented.
I own quite a few guns. I have no issues with the system, as it stands, but my state allows me to bypass NICS because I have a CCW. What’s interesting, when I was in law enforcement, at one point cops were exempt from NICS. The state and feds discovered lots of cops getting arrested for domestic violence, so they took away the exemption. But, at the same time, if you had a CCW you were still exempt.
On that note, the Class 3/NFA procedures are an absolute nightmare that has no reason to exist.
So stay home and let a Democrat who will push for full blown confiscation and will appoint Justices who will overturn Heller.
Good move bro.
I don’t know that I said that. I’m just saying the background check/NICS is a feel good farce as far as the reality on the “streets” goes.
don’t blame you one bit- republicans have capitulated to the left on gun control over 30,000 times now- we do not need more gun laws- the verifiable fact is that NO gun laws would have stopped the mass shooters, and the left knows that full well- and ANY gun control laws made in the face of recent tragedies is too much- Again- We have over 30,000 gun laws already on the books- enough is enough- IF none of them are ‘sensible gun control laws’ then what are they doing on the books?
Any new gun laws are nothing but further attempts to deny law abiding citizens their inalienable rights to self defense- The left are making felons out of law abiding citizens exercising their inalienable rights to self defense- red flag laws are nothing but an attempt to disarm people- no matter what ‘strong protections’ the left lying promise the right-
The left want the right arrested on ‘thought crimes’ or on ‘future crimes not yet committed’ - they want to premeditadely arrest people- and red flag laws are a massive step in that direction-
I’m not suggesting the President will go for red flag laws- but several republicans are pushing for them- people have a right to fear them when they push for crap like that- and when we hear the president saying he is looking at some laws- it is understandable that people will be nervous- 30,000 laws already- 30,000 times the right capitulated to the left- enough is enough-
As long as there’s enough time for Sean or Rush to have a talk with Trump, as is the case here, I don’t worry.
You give the left an inch and they will take a mile.
Gun control will not end with background checks. The left will never be happy until they have full scale bans and confiscation.
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I have to disagree. They won’t at all be happy with just bans and confiscations. They won’t be happy until they’re endgame is achieved; killing their defenseless opposition em masse.
Virtually every Marxist/communist/leftist movement in the last 120 years ends this way.
I’ve heard that a socialist is just a communist who hasn’t murdered anyone yet.
But it does work. I’ve seen it work. The issue, like everything else the government touches, is that it’s inefficient, for one. Information that should get on there, doesn’t because of incompetent folks, HIPPA violations and potential lawsuits, laziness, all sorts of stuff.
A buddy of mine was assigned to an ATF Task Force. His job was to investigate folks that get delayed hits. Due to similar names, DOBs, SSNs, sometimes folks were denied when they shouldn’t be, others were allowed to purchase when they shouldn’t have been. When asked what they did with the folks that got the gun, but should have been denied.....most of the time, Nothing. They couldn’t return the weapon as most guns aren’t returnable. And the Feds weren’t going to buy it from them. Seizing it meant that they had to file charges and go to a Grand Jury, etc and that wasn’t going to happen.
Yeah....red flag laws.
They always seek a way to stick noses under the tent.
Now they’ll have these red flag things and all of us will be subject to scrutiny and for sure we must give them our guns.
Who is going to define a “red flag”?
We got an FBI that tried to bring down a duly elected president. Are we to be so stupid as to think they won’t come for our guns if they don’t like our politics?
Here’s the thing people don’t want to hear and frankly the Repubs....with air between the legs....they don’t want to hear that we will have to tolerate times when the wrong guy gets a gun and shoots a bunch of people.
Jim Jones killed a bunch of people with Kool Aid.
Some people get knives and kill a bunch of people.
sometimes 34 people burn to death on a boat.
Once in a while someone gets a car and runs down innocent people.
Bad things happen and there are ways to prevent mass gun deaths. Carrying our own weapons is one way.
My church locks the doors when mass begins and no one gets in after except through one specific door and they must be approved by an usher.
There are ways.
Taking guns and boats and cars and knives away from those who do not kill people with them is not a good system.
Indeed. Recall a shooter in San Antonio, the guy who was a former USAF type I think, he should have been DQ’d by virtue of his BCD or OTH discharge- but alas, the DOD failed to input his conviction/negative discharge. Yeah, so If the Big AF or DOD can’t file a DQ, why should a state be worried?
The shooter bought a firearm and shot things up.
As an ex-Democrat I’ve come around to the position that we have enough gun laws on the books and need no additional ones. Enforcing the laws we already have is the best course. If the president comes out with “stricter” background checks or more additional laws I will strongly disagree with it and be disappointed with him, but it won’t compel me to stay home on Election Day. If we put a Democrat into the White House he or she will go for complete gun confiscation, as the other Freeper who responded to your post pointed out. You can take that to the bank!
You’re referring to the Sutherland Springs church murders.
Stopped by NRA instructor Stephen Willeford and his AR-15.
But that isn’t fun
I agree in theory, but bumpstocks was not the hill to die on. We’ll be fighting a war soon.
Sorry I won’t be staying home and I doubt you will either but unfortunately it won’t matter what we do, several million will stay home and President Trump will not be reelected.
“After the cave to the bump stock ban I’m holding my breath.”
There are a significant number of people on FR who were at least ambivalent and at worst supportive of his illegal bump stock ban. I was not. It won’t take much of anything more for him to lose enough support to make him lose the election.
Won’t argue with that. However, in my former line of work, when I dealt with a convicted felon, it wasn’t Martha Stewart for lying to the FBI about trading stocks. So, my perception might be a bit distorted.
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