[Cboldt]

-- The driveby's "Yabut" on the Ukrainian issue, which I disagree with, is that Trump went after his major political rival in the election forthcoming. --

Yep. And as we know, running for office confers immunity from criminal investigation (unless it is for collusion with Russia) and from possible prosecution for bribery.

Total double standard in play, as usual. DNC is ging for dirt on Trump, Manafort, etc. in 2016, that is not collusion. Trump being sent Russians (by the US government), and him listening? THAT is collusion.

Utter nonsense, and the DEMs will yell and shout whatever sort of claim that moves the view. "But whistleblower being denied process!!"

[Alas Babylon!]

Agreed however, it was not JUST the DNC digging for dirt, it was President Barrack Hussein Obama--the president and chief law enforcement officer of the land--and spying on political rivals is a lot worse and even illegal, compared to asking a foreign government to speak out about bribery and political pressure, even if the party involved is your political rival.