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The Rush To Renewable Energy Defies Science, Economics, And Common Sense
Issues and Insights ^ | 09/24/2019 | Henry I. Miller and Andrew I. Fillat

Posted on 09/24/2019 8:57:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 09/24/2019 8:57:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

No, no. Greta shreiked “how dare you” at us. That’s it, end of discussion. Greta has weighed in, and some Democrat presidential candidates praised her message and courage.


2 posted on 09/24/2019 9:03:37 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind

Nuclear Power was/is/will always be the Energy for the 21st Century.


3 posted on 09/24/2019 9:10:32 AM PDT by EnglishOnly (eWFight all out to win OR get out now. .)
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To: SeekAndFind

Solar nets 10 watts per square meter (give or take a fraction).
That’s it.

Ergo 1 square mile for 25 megawatts.

Math accordingly.


4 posted on 09/24/2019 9:12:25 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Specialization is for insects.)
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Yes, it defies all those variables of logic...so...STOP looking at climate change in those terms.

Atheists and the Godless, are those true believers in climate change...it is their religion and cause, sans any presence of God, much less, Jesus.

So if someone questioned you religion, what would you say?

That’s why.


5 posted on 09/24/2019 9:15:45 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Vote for President Trump in 2020 or end up equally miserable, no rights, and eating zoo animals)
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To: ctdonath2

RE: 1 square mile for 25 megawatts.

I almost always used the handy formula 1 MW = 1,000 homes. So, one square mile of Solar can power 25,000 homes, or for an average of 4 people per home, a small city of 100,000 people.


6 posted on 09/24/2019 9:16:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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A HUGE issue few people want to tackle is how to store all the power generated by solar and wind power for times when the Sun is not up and wind speeds are not appropriate for wind turbines to operate. It may be a couple of decades until power storage systems are reasonably cheap and viable.
7 posted on 09/24/2019 9:18:05 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“The Rush To Renewable Energy Defies Science, Economics, And Common Sense”

The Rush To Renewable Energy Defies Science, Economics,by folks with no Common Sense....(More accurate)


8 posted on 09/24/2019 9:21:35 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory toooo long.............)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just start collecting unicorn farts as a renewable energey source.


9 posted on 09/24/2019 9:28:02 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Chivalry is not dead. It is a warriors code and only practiced by warriors.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As I’ve said before. Our energy supply needs are like a cake. All wind and solar can ever be of be is the frosting.


10 posted on 09/24/2019 9:30:23 AM PDT by Secretmtcman1
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Shooting-off-your-mouth, IS the Liberal default style. 😊 Facts, content, commonsense, etc., are all incidental. Talk loud, use popular catch words, parrot the latest BS, rinse, repeat.
11 posted on 09/24/2019 9:31:34 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Nobility is defined by the demands it makes on us - by obligations, not by rights".)
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It may be a couple of decades until power storage systems are reasonably cheap and viable.

You mean batteries?

I think the OP pointed out that battery technology is already pretty far along, and saving more energy in a smaller-sized battery likely won't be achievable. How large of a battery would you need to save energy for several days or weeks?

12 posted on 09/24/2019 9:47:44 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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While the article accurately points out the many flaws of the so-called renewable energy sources, the authors are obviously not as familiar with fusion as he should be. Practical usion power has been a couple of decades away for the last 50 years. plus the authors state
There is no significant waste
This is NOT true. Various fusion reactions occur at different temperatures, The easiest to achieve is tritium/deuterium. This releases a neutron which then goes onto activate something. The first likely thing to be activated is whatever the shell material is surrounding the plasma. Lithium would be good insomuch as it produced tritium whe hit with a neutron, but its far to soft and has way too low a melting point to be the material that provides the first wall of the reactor, so while the reaction itself doesn't product radioactive isotopes as residual waste, it produces copious quantities of neutrons that go on to transmute everything in the vicinity into radioactive isotopes. Neutron bombardment also mechanically degrades materials so the life of the fusion reactor itself it not going to be particularly long.
13 posted on 09/24/2019 9:59:50 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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For only 6 hours per day. Multiply by 5 for evernight delivery and storage conversion. And that is with NO margin for clouds. Snow. Rain.


14 posted on 09/24/2019 10:00:39 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (The democrats' national goal: One world social-communism under one world religion: Atheistic Islam.)
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1 square mile of solar => 100,000 people.
Good summary.
Just need to make people aware of how big a square mile of black panels is, and how much that costs to install/maintain.

Next calculation: backup.

You’ll need 240 Watt-hours of storage to evenly buffer the 1m^2 panel’s output (~5 usable hours of power in, 24 hours of power out, average 10 watts per hour).
That’s for just 1 day.
To account for excess cloud cover, you’ll need another 240Wh per day of backup planned. A miserably rainy/snowy week with negligible sunlight means you’ll need 1680 Wh of storage. Sure there may be enough light getting thru to lower that to 1400 Wh.
That’s full cost of a day times 7 days to cover those infrequent times clouds intervene for an extended period, there whether or not it’s used ... and a “brick wall effect” when you run out.

To bracket the upper end of cost, one 1m^2 panel plus 1400Wh storage, courtesy of GoalZero.com, is ~$2000.
Discounts are likely, but then so are other costs (land, maintenance, etc).
For 1 square meter, reliable to 1 week of bad weather.

Now multiply by 2,500,000.
That’s $5,000,000,000.
5 billion dollars to supply solar to 100,000 people ... and if that storm goes more than a week, it’s lights out.
That’s $14/day for 10 years per person.


15 posted on 09/24/2019 10:39:14 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Specialization is for insects.)
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Hence my earlier “10 watts per day”.

Sun provides 1300 watts per square meter.
When you subtract out night, weather, efficiency, angles, and other factors, your net solar harvest is about 10 watts per square meter.


16 posted on 09/24/2019 10:41:01 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Specialization is for insects.)
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re: “The Rush To Renewable Energy Defies Science, Economics, And Common Sense”

AND ignores the continued progress of Dr. Randell L. Mills ...


17 posted on 09/24/2019 10:42:07 AM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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BTW: I’m running my office computer on 100% GoalZero solar (100 watt panel, 250 Wh storage) right now, getting quite familiar with the nuances of positioning, weather, shadows, efficiency, maintenance, cost, etc. It’s not the magic “panel, done” wannabe-environmentalists seem to think it is.


18 posted on 09/24/2019 10:44:25 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Specialization is for insects.)
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re: “Various fusion reactions occur at different temperatures, The easiest to achieve is tritium/deuterium. This releases a neutron which then goes onto activate something.”

Just have to say it: “old tech.” Look at the progress in harnessing the Hydrino for the future ...


19 posted on 09/24/2019 10:44:29 AM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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The use of nuclear power, natural gas, oil and coal will power the demands for generations to come.

When the next, cost efficient method is discovered/developed the world population will adopt it with no gummint force, because it is cost efficient.

People are smart and make decisions that benefit themselves.

PERIOD.

20 posted on 09/24/2019 10:52:41 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist mooselimb savages, today.)
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