Posted on 11/22/2019 8:11:59 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Censure for what?
I agree that the Senate trial is far riskier for democrats, but I don’t think they have been prone to choose the risk averse box of their strategy charts lately, mostly due to TDS in their party. Even though it could get really ugly for them if the Senate investigations are successfully able to pull a lot of the democrat corruption under the Ukraine/impeachment umbrella, to them pulling up short on actually impeaching Trump in the house would be too hard for their pride to swallow.
Even still, I am beginning to think more and more that they will have to avoid having this thing go to the Senate. If they do, Nancy and Adam can having a huge press conference and mix two message; 1) slam and slander Trump as evil with a thousand pointless accusations, and 2) say that for the benefit of unifying the country they are going to stop short of a full impeachment and sending it to the Senate to prolong all the strife, and even though they ‘proved’ high crimes and misdemeanors, they are going to be the part of healing. heh
Actually, my FRiend, the Dimocrats have be salivating for this since December, 1998 when William Xlinton WAS Impeached by Congress.
Nervous Nancy’s best play is to have the vote and let the “moderates” torpedo it that way she can try to keep the house. They can all go back to their districts and say they stood up to Pelosi. It’ll give them street cred. With that play, Trump is still given a pretty strong hand.
Censure for Ukraine would get Democrats some bipartisan GOP support.
Easier to get votes for it han for impeachment. Basically a legislative slap across Trump’s face.
Doesn’t have the same gravity as impeachment but it would signal congressional displeasure with Trump’s actions on Ukraine.
thanks to ross perot....
I agree. Do not think they will ultimately have the vote to impeach:
1. May not have votes. Nothing was proved. There are a number of Democrats in Trump districts (30?) who have to think long and hard.
2. Trump’s pushing for a Senate Trial and the GOP talking about who they will call (which could be extremely damaging to the Democrats) should make Pelosi and Shiff think twice. Having him on the stand in the Senate could be very entertaining.
3. Obviously, will not get 20 GOP’s in the Senate to convict; so just a PR stunt which will greatly benefit the GOP.
Only risk is if Chief Justice Roberts gets all super cautious and limits witnesses, testimony, etc. He did call Obamacare a tax! The legacy of the Supreme Court is more important to him than anything. You can bet he is a never trumpet as well.
The light shines on them and enough Americans see it, things will change...America may not be the same after that or even exist in any recognizable form...we are at a tipping point. We are stuck on one of the sticky fly traps of history and there seems no end to the goo we are trapped in!
Chief Justice Roberts will have to have recusal questions regarding his overseeing of the FISA Courts before he does any “presiding”! Even if some see this question as a nothing burger, it already is out in the media. What does he know of the Stzrok rewritten Fisa warrant allowing spying on the Trumps?
Once a Bushie, always a Bushie, I guess...
“Trump really is a fighter — one who lives for those fights.....now that Democrats have gone all-in to remove him; all they’ve done is reinforce the received wisdom on the Right that this is the only kind of Republican candidate who can survive now.”
I hadn’t really thought of it in those terms but the author makes a profound point:
President Trump’s eye-for-an-eye no-compromise fighting style, once considered loathsome even by fellow Republicans, has now been proven to be the ONLY political strategy with any hope of success against dishonest modern day Democrats and their fake news monopoly.
And it has been the Democrats themselves who have proven it, by subjecting the President to a three year black ops attack of unprecedented viciousness, and yet utterly failing to topple him.
What saved him was his instinct to choose the right path and stick to it no matter what, and when hit, to hit back twice as hard - and that lesson has not been lost on Republicans, even the former NeverTrumpers.
From this day forward, Republicans are on notice that if one wants to win against the dishonest Left, one must either be Donald Trump, or be as much like him as possible.
This is why we will see Republican politicians enthusiastically unite and fall in line behind their Commander and Chief in 2020, just as they did in 1984. He has shown them how to win.
After 2024 - who knows? At least aspiring leaders will have an example to follow.
Go Ronald Reagan!
Go Donald Trump!
bipartisan support?? I doubt it...
Roberts does not have any authority except keeping them from being rowdy.
Trump wants a Senate trial because he likes hitting back. This is the guy that goes toe to toe with nobodies on twitter over absolutely nothing just for entertainment.
Most people won’t watch much of a Senate trial and certainly won’t hang in there if it drags on too long, e.g. weeks and months. Diehards on the left and right will obsess over it. Many in the middle will say they are all nuts and just watch Netflix. Many will just accept what the MSM says it is.
Probably the best outcome is a concise Senate trial that lasts just long enough to possibly get Trump’s version of events into the history books ... maybe. After all in a 100 years no one will know who Trump is except he is one of those guys along with Johnson and Clinton that got impeached.
Thanks.
Along with George Washington and FDR I think he had the least gain financially from being a corrupt President. He’s lost money from the day he decided to go down the escalator.
He must have forced himself from thinking “I could have been on the golf course in Scotland or on a yacht under a blue sky in the Florida Gulf. Instead I’m reading in the news there’s a defamatory report that I asked prostitutes to do things on a bed in Russia. I don’t need this.”
The least TO gain financially....
Typo.
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