Posted on 12/06/2019 5:56:29 AM PST by Kaslin
In a lengthy op-ed piece for the Christian Post, Chris Thurman claims that “evangelicals who support Donald Trump are being both blind and foolish to do so.” Therefore, “labeling them as such is not sinful but appropriate and necessary.” Is there any truth to his charge?
Thurman explains that in using the word “support” he “was not referring to evangelicals who voted for Trump in 2016,” even though he believes they erred in voting for him.
Rather, he wrote, “I’m referring to those evangelicals who continue to hold Trump up as a great leader, say he is God’s chosen one for the presidency, applaud his appalling words and actions, ignore his glaring moral defects, and enable his dangerous presidency to continue by giving him their time, talents, and treasures.”
In Thurman’s view, prominent evangelicals leaders who fall into this category are Ralph Reed, Jerry Falwell, Jr., Franklin Graham, and Mike Pence.
According to Thurman, they are supporting a man who is “morally ill beyond normal standards of human decency.”
He writes, “Given how narcissistic and sociopathic Trump is, he fundamentally doesn’t believe that the rules of moral behavior or social norms apply to him.” And, whereas there was hope that, upon becoming president, he would change, “he has only grown more mentally and morally disturbed and defiant since assuming the powers of the presidency.”
Then, after raising a litany of serious accusations against Trump, Thurman quotes 2 Timothy 3:-15, a dire passage indeed (do read it when you have a minute) and concludes: “I believe this passage is almost a word-for-word description of our current president and that it’s not in the Bible by accident. I believe this particular passage was written for the very times we live in. God, being all-knowing, knew ahead of time this godless individual would ascend to the presidency of our country. In light of what the passage says, could God be any clearer about who He doesn’t want Christians to support when it comes to choosing a leader?”
And so, he asks, “Given that Trump’s moral depravity has glaringly and dangerously been on display in public for three years now, how could any evangelical continue to support a man for president who is causing such great harm everywhere he goes?”
There is only one choice we have: “You foolish evangelicals, Trump has bewitched you. Stop calling him good when he is evil, light when he is darkness. Have nothing to do with him.”
My response to Thurman’s article is that he is just as guilty as the evangelicals he accuses, except from the opposite perspective. In short, while some evangelicals seem blind to his failings and his potential to hurt America deeply, Thurman seems blind to Trump’s strengths and his potential to help America greatly.
To be clear, I have frequently urged my fellow-evangelicals not to defend Trump when his words or actions are indefensible and not to sell our souls to him. And any reader of my columns knows of my book Donald Trump is Not My Savior: An Evangelical Leader Speaks His Mind About the Man He Supports as President.
These same readers will also remember how strenuously I opposed Trump during the primaries. And to this day, I have close and dear friends who would agree with many of the concerns raised by Thurman – and I’m speaking of committed evangelicals.
One respected friend insists that for evangelicals to preserve our testimony, we must find a conservative Republican to replace him. Another close friend who voted for Trump in 2016 plans not to vote at all in 2020.
So, I do understand the opposition to Trump and, to repeat, I was once part of it.
Yet as Trump defeated all his primary challengers, as unlikely as that seemed, and as solid Christian leaders began to support him, I said to myself, “I must be missing something.”
How is it, I wondered, that so many good people could be so duped? And what was it they saw in Trump, a man who was clearly not Christian in any serious sense of the word?
I felt like someone listening to a comedian telling poor jokes as the audience roared with laughter. At a certain point, you ask yourself, “Could it be that I’m not getting the jokes?”
To be sure, I cannot speak for Reed, Falwell, Graham, or Pence, nor do I want to. At times I have cringed at some evangelical defenses of the president, but I have no idea what these leaders say to him behind closed doors. I do not sit here as their judge.
At the same time, I’m looking at the bigger picture, and Trump really is engaged in some major, existential wars.
Never before in my memory have we seen the depths of the DC swamp. Or the bias and even dishonesty of the media (on both sides, actually, but especially on the left). Or the blood-thirsty nature of the pro-abortion camp. Or the extreme radicality of the left (including the new push for socialism and the attempt to silence opposing ideas, even violently). Or the danger of the internet giants suppressing conservative voices and influencing elections.
This is what Trump is fighting, and as flawed as he is, those of us who support him recognize that very few men would be able to withstand all this pressure without caving and compromising along the way.
Trump has also had a massive impact on the courts, to give just one important example of his major accomplishments. As Rolling Stone announced last month with some panic, “Trump’s Takeover of America’s Courts Just Hit a Terrifying New Milestone.
“Trump has now appointed one out of every four appeals-court judges — more than Obama did in eight years in office.”
This is already having a positive impact on some major, life and death rulings, with a potential impact that should positively affect the next generation.
That’s why the Democrats have been talking about impeachment virtually since the day Trump was elected. As a Vanity Fair article from December 15, 2016 stated, “DEMOCRATS ARE PAVING THE WAY TO IMPEACH DONALD TRUMP.”
And as I write these words from India, I think of the significance of Trump standing with the protesters in Hong Kong and his willingness to face down the giant that is China. That is massive.
I also think of those evangelicals who are close to the president, appealing to him to urge India’s Prime Minister Modi to stand down in his persecution of Christians. (I’ll have more to say about this persecution in a forthcoming article.)
It is these same evangelicals who are in the president’s ear when it comes to a compassionate and righteous solution to the immigration crisis. They are also encouraging him to take further steps in prison reform. And they are applauding his economic policies that are helping millions of Americans, including minorities.
As noted in a November 6, 2019 article on Bloomberg.com (did I say Bloomberg?), “Despite his reputation for being racially divisive, President Donald Trump’s approval ratings have drifted upward among nonwhites in the last two years. While it’s impossible to say exactly why, one reasonable explanation is that the U.S.’s long economic expansion has been particularly beneficial for minority workers.”
And since Trump has surrounded himself with evangelicals, both in his administration and in his circle of counselors, why should they stop giving him input? Why on earth walk out when he has left the door wide open?
For many evangelicals, it is Trump’s very evident shortcomings that mark him as a man raised up by God, meaning that: 1) his election was beyond unlikely, and 2) God delights in using fallen and flawed vessels.
But this hardly means he is beyond criticism (although some evangelicals, unfortunately, do feel that way). It simply means we see God’s hand at work in very positive ways in the Trump presidency while we recognize the potential damage he can do.
Ironically, Thurman rejects any possible notion that Trump is foreshadowed in the Scriptures (say, as a Cyrus figure, meaning a pagan king who did not know the Lord yet was chosen by God to help Israel). Yet he claims that 2 Timothy 3:1-5 is written as a warning about Donald Trump.
That’s why I say that he is making the same mistake as those he criticizes, just from the exact opposite perspective.
In my view, there is healthy ground between these two extremes, and it is what I have advocated for many months. The president gets our vote but not our soul.
And while we pray for him and support him, he is not our savior or our example or our guide.
He is simply our president.
Those who hold this position are not bewitched in the least. Our eyes are wide open and our head screwed on rightly.
For those who are bewitched on the left or the right, either with Trump-hatred or Trump-mania, I repeat: there is healthy ground between these two extremes. (For an interesting liberal perspective, see here.
He’s not my minister. I didn’t choose him to be my minister. I chose him to be my commander in Chief, and he was a better choice than Hillary. Voting for her would have made me a fool.
We were fools. Fools for 40 years for believing that the ruling base of the GOP shared our values. We WERE fools....not ARE fools.
Fools? Consider the alternatives.
Exactly
There is no man pure enough to be president of any country. I see Trump more as a David fighting the Goliath of secular globalism. That man is not going to have lily white hands. I’m a Christian and wholly support what Trump is doing. If he weren’t doing it we’d be in a civil war within a few years. (And it will probably still come to that.)
Really? IMHO, the fool is the one that penned this BS.
Just look at what the alternatives were....and even more so are now.
As posted above: I didn’t vote for him to be my preacher, I voted for him to be POTUS...and a strong one.
You actually touch on an important subject to me. See tag line.
Thurman is a rat tool.
And II Tim. 3 also is a very good description of our leading liberals/Dems/media............
Jus’ sayin’..........
(Nothing new under the sun.)
BUT
Verse 9 says: "9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone."
So what's he worried about?
Yep the ones who are the fools are the bitter never Trumpers and fake religious posers.
Romans 3:23 New International Version (NIV)
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Is Trump perfect, far far from it but then SO TOO are these bombastic poser using their pompous religiosity as an excuse to condemn him politically
Most of the Left anti God agenda has not been legislative, it been imposed by Courts. Most notable, Abortion and Gay Marriage. On Judges alone Trump has done a better job of protecting Christians then the last 4 Presidents combined
Zo Michael Brown is an ardent Moloch supporter.
Christian Post or Post Christian?
This idiot quotes 2 Timothy 3:15, which is “and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus”, and yet the first scripture that came to mind when I read this liberal’s tirade was Isaiah 5:20, which says “Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter!
21
Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
and shrewd in their own sight!”.
Mr. Thurmond also brings to mind Matthew 5:22 - “But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire”.
Spot on, sir! I didn’t ask Trump to pastor the church I go to. I don’t ask him how I can live according to God’s will. I DO ask him to help me live freely, allowed to “exercise” my religion without interference from liberal lawmakers who want me to bow down to Moloch. I want Trump to limit us to wars that have a purpose, to take the shackles off of American businesses, and yes, to put AMERICA’S interests above the concerns of Europe.
He’s done all that. Thank God for President Trump!
Cheese Richard spews about Trump being immoral.
Gee, I'll have to really think about this.
Is your dog catcher perfect? Is your dentist perfect? We think about the direction of the country and try to keep it close to the Founders vision. We have to decide who best embodies that and can carry it out.
That is why liberals are so bent on supplanting the Founders vision and do not want children to learn anything. Just become a drone and follow our orders.
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