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Armed parishioners saved 'untold number of lives.' This law made it legal to have guns in church
cnn.com ^ | December 30, 2019 | Hollie Silverman

Posted on 12/30/2019 1:32:44 PM PST by grundle

A shooter at a church in White Settlement, Texas, was taken down by parishioners with guns seconds after he began firing Sunday.

Those parishioners, who were also volunteer members of the church's security team, are able to carry guns into church due to a law passed by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott in response to another deadly church shooting that took the lives of 26 people in 2017.

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick referred to the law during a Sunday night press conference, saying that it was passed following the deadly shooting at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs. It took effect in September, Patrick said.

Senate Bill 535 took effect in September and clarifies possession of firearms at places of worship. The bill allows licensed handgun owners to legally carry their weapons in churches, synagogues and other houses of worship.

"We have learned many times over that there is no such thing as a gun-free zone. Those with evil intentions will violate the law and carry out their heinous acts no matter what," state Sen. Donna Campbell, co-sponsor of the bill, said in a statement when the bill was passed in September. "It makes no sense to disarm the good guys and leave law-abiding citizens defenseless where violent offenders break the law to do great harm."

Patrick also mentioned a second law that was recently passed that waives the fees charged to private institutions that have their own security teams. He lauded the heroic actions of those volunteer security members. "They were well trained, well trained. The heroism today is unparalleled. This team responded quickly and within six seconds the shooting was over," Patrick said. "Two of the parishioners who are volunteers on the security force drew their weapons and took out the killer immediately saving untold number of lives."

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


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1 posted on 12/30/2019 1:32:44 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

Holly Crap,this is CNN.bout time


2 posted on 12/30/2019 1:35:33 PM PST by Bell Bouy II
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To: grundle

no comment from Joe Biden?


3 posted on 12/30/2019 1:36:17 PM PST by janetjanet998
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To: grundle

A factually correct article that is free of editorial comments...how did that slip through the CNN editors?


4 posted on 12/30/2019 1:36:50 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: janetjanet998

“no comment from Joe Biden?”

and still no mention of Joe Biden condemning the governor when he sign it


5 posted on 12/30/2019 1:39:25 PM PST by DOC44
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To: NittanyLion
A factually correct article that is free of editorial comments...how did that slip through the CNN editors?

I expect the "correction" will not be buried, it will be a headline.

6 posted on 12/30/2019 1:39:36 PM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: grundle

The MSM will focus on the town name instead.


7 posted on 12/30/2019 1:42:19 PM PST by albie
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To: grundle

No law made it legal to have guns in church. God gave us the right to defend ourselves.


8 posted on 12/30/2019 1:44:57 PM PST by Theophilus (Ich bin ein Hong Konger)
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To: grundle

Old “Shotgun” Joe still hasn’t mentioned that the bad guy should have just used the shotgun to shoot into the air. That would have chased all those parishioners out into the street.


9 posted on 12/30/2019 1:46:36 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Democrats are worse than Communists)
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To: janetjanet998

His suggestion to use shotguns was heeded.


10 posted on 12/30/2019 1:49:16 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: grundle

The guys would have got off only two shots anywhere.

He was packing only a sawed off shotgun. And they don’t make those with 8 round tubes.


11 posted on 12/30/2019 1:49:59 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Mossberg 590 Shockwave, 5+1.

Aguila Minishells. Turns the Mossberg 590 into a 9+1.


12 posted on 12/30/2019 1:54:36 PM PST by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: grundle

Laws don’t make things legal. Laws make things illegal. If there’s no law against it then it is legal.


13 posted on 12/30/2019 2:01:11 PM PST by rfreedom4u (The root word of vigilante is vigilant!)
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To: Yo-Yo

I stand corrected.

Is this the weapon of the perp?


14 posted on 12/30/2019 2:05:41 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: grundle

Don’t forget the man who tried to draw his pistol and was shot down , point blank , by the shooter. He bought time for the others , by distracting the gunman, allowing the others to draw , focus and fire. He died


15 posted on 12/30/2019 2:10:54 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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I don't know if it is the weapon used, but both Mossberg and Remington make these short non-shotgun "firearms" that could have been used.

They have 14 inch barrels, are 26" overall length, and are NOT designed to be fired from the shoulder.

That allows them to fall into the category of "firearm" and are legal without a tax stamp. (Of course, your own state laws also apply, and these are not allowed in all states.)

If you're interested, here's a description of how these "firearms" are legal without a tax stamp: https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2017/3/31/tested-mossberg-590-shockwave/

16 posted on 12/30/2019 2:13:59 PM PST by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Theophilus
I know of some preachers who have been carry for the past three decades.

I my field work, I have come across most preachers being armed.

This includes Baptists.

17 posted on 12/30/2019 2:16:00 PM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's fore sure)
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To: Theophilus

Exactly


18 posted on 12/30/2019 2:44:53 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Yo-Yo

I thought any shotgun with a barrel less than 18in was illegal in the US.


19 posted on 12/30/2019 3:04:07 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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“I thought any shotgun with a barrel less than 18in was illegal in the US.”

true enough, but their are numerous firearms classified as handguns that shoot shotgun shells ... .410 is one of the most popular calibers of such handguns:

https://www.google.com/search?q=.410+handgun&source=lnms&tbm=isch


20 posted on 12/30/2019 3:28:35 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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