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Police contradict claims spread online exaggerating arson's role in Australian bushfires [see reply 26]
The Guardian ^ | 01/08/2020 | Chrisopher Knauss

Posted on 01/08/2020 1:03:23 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Victoria police say there is no evidence any of the devastating bushfires in the state were caused by arson, contrary to the spread of global disinformation exaggerating arsonist arrests during the current crisis.

A misleading figure suggesting 183 arsonists have been arrested “since the start of the bushfire season” spread across the globe on Wednesday, after initial reports in News Corp were picked up by Donald Trump Jr, US far-right websites and popular alt-right personalities.

Jason Wilson (@jason_a_w)

Some outlets are reporting this responsibly but the distorted version is all over garbage-tier rightwing media. pic.twitter.com/U9XxmzuKHl January 7, 2020

The figure included statistics from some states covering the entirety of 2019, rather than just the current bushfire season, which began in September.

In Victoria, 43 alleged arsonists were counted among the 183 arrested “in the past few months” and “since the start of the bushfire season”. That Victorian figure was, in fact, the figure for all of 2019.

“There is currently no intelligence to indicate that the fires in East Gippsland and the North East have been caused by arson or any other suspicious behaviour,” a Victoria police spokeswoman said.

The reported figure of 183 also includes 101 individuals from Queensland who were “picked up for setting fires in the bush”. But a Queensland police spokeswoman said the figure included a broader range of offences than arson, including the breaching of total fire bans, and was not a total of arrests, but a total of “police enforcement actions”.

“Enforcement action includes charging, restorative justice or cautioning,” she said.


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TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arson; australia; bushfire; globalwarminghoax; greennewdeal
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1 posted on 01/08/2020 1:03:23 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

garbage-tier rightwing media - lol


2 posted on 01/08/2020 1:04:58 PM PST by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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By golly, I don’t care how many videos of laughing muslims you watch..:this was global warming or you are going to jail


3 posted on 01/08/2020 1:05:18 PM PST by dsrtsage (Complexity is merely simplicity lacking imagination)
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To: Unassuaged

Maybe struggling to preserve the global warming agenda


4 posted on 01/08/2020 1:05:54 PM PST by SMARTY ("Nobility is defined by the demands it makes on us - by obligations, not by rights".)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ok, I guess they were just starting other fires then.

Meanwhile, the evidence that the fires were started by “Climate Change” is incontrovertible.


5 posted on 01/08/2020 1:06:58 PM PST by chris37 (Where's Hunter?)
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To: SMARTY

I assume you are correct, but the misleading click bait BS about the number of arrests really hurts the credibility of anyone arguing the point.


6 posted on 01/08/2020 1:09:06 PM PST by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Looks like PC is alive and well in Ausie Land.
Dont want to loose me cushy job dont cha know


7 posted on 01/08/2020 1:11:26 PM PST by Bell Bouy II
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To: SeekAndFind

Pathetic attempt to parse the facts to obstruct the truth Typical Leftist garbage propaganda


8 posted on 01/08/2020 1:12:15 PM PST by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: SeekAndFind

The commie screed writers don’t bother checking their facts. This from the lefty Age newspaper https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/man-charged-with-starting-bushfire-in-east-gippsland-as-blazes-rage-20200102-p53oap.html


9 posted on 01/08/2020 1:12:31 PM PST by Long Jon No Silver
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To: SeekAndFind

They will lie until we die. It is amazing.


10 posted on 01/08/2020 1:16:56 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: SeekAndFind
From Australian science writer, Joanne Nova...

For example, the awful Binna Burra fire in September was blamed on climate change. Instead it turned out to be caused by two teenagers with cigarette butts. Who looks silly pushing a carbon tax agenda to stop fires?

So The Guardian and the ABC are now compiling stories with conspiracy theories about how a thousand or so tweets with a pedantic error mistaking legal action for arrests somehow demonstrates a mysterious disinformation campaign (it’s pro-ject-ion.)

More at this link, The information war about astonishing arson figures

11 posted on 01/08/2020 1:24:15 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves)
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To: chris37

Spontaneous combustion due to climate change heat? Paper needs 451 degrees to combust on its own.


12 posted on 01/08/2020 1:34:31 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Nothing to see here, you looky-loos!”


13 posted on 01/08/2020 1:35:44 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Unassuaged
I assume you are correct, but the misleading click bait BS about the number of arrests really hurts the credibility of anyone arguing the point.

Exactly. Good post.

14 posted on 01/08/2020 1:37:22 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom
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To: SeekAndFind

What caused the fires if not humans? Do they give an explanation in the article?


15 posted on 01/08/2020 1:39:23 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom
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To: SeekAndFind

The article says this....buried down in the body of the article.

“But a Rural Fire Service spokesman told Sky News on Wednesday that the majority of the larger fires in the state were caused by lightning, and that arson was a relatively small source of ignition.

Arsonists have been responsible for some of the bushfires this season – though specific numbers are not yet available. There is also no doubt that arson remains a serious problem in Australia, particularly during heightened periods of fire danger. Arsonists have been responsible for some of Australia’s worst fires, including a fire that killed 10 people on Black Saturday in 2009.”

That is a far cry from none of the fires have been caused by arson and the lead of the article suggests.


16 posted on 01/08/2020 1:42:01 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom
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To: SeekAndFind

I read one or two of those “right-wing” reports, and I knew everything they just clarified, so I guess some of those “right-wing” news sources are in fact reporting the entire story.

On the other hand, it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE that “NONE” of the fires were started by arson. This story confirms that multiple people have been arrested for arson DURING this firestorm. I’m sure not all of them are arson, but it is also stupid to pretend none of them are.

Note also: it isn’t just arson, a lot of fires are man-made, but mistakenly so. That’s the whole “we aren’t arresting all these people”, some of them are because of smokers throwing their lit cigarettes on the ground, or people doing cookouts when they are not allowed to now because things are so dry.


17 posted on 01/08/2020 1:45:53 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Seems like neither side’s media is interested in the unvarnished truth.


18 posted on 01/08/2020 1:53:39 PM PST by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: SeekAndFind

The people running the right wing (supposedly) click bait sites are just opportunists spewing any rumor to get clicks. The web is full of these scum.


19 posted on 01/08/2020 2:39:13 PM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

> “But a Rural Fire Service spokesman told Sky News on Wednesday that the majority of the larger fires in the state were caused by lightnin...

I’m just a bit confused here. The outback is tinder dry because of a drought that has gone on for the last three years. If the fires were all started by lightning, doesn’t one have to assume rainstorms along with it, and, as far as I know that also means a lot of water as well. I must be missing something here.


20 posted on 01/08/2020 3:06:49 PM PST by ADemocratNoMore (The Fourth Estate is now the Fifth Column)
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