New video shows that 2 missiles struck the Ukrainian plane that crashed in Iran

Business Insider ^ | 1/14/2020 | David Slotnick

[maxwellsmart_agent]

But it was an accident? Nonsense!

[Capt. Tom]

It’s being said that there was almost 2 mins between the 2 missiles. (1 min 53 sec is what I heard)

The plane might have taken that long to crash, after the first missile hit, but the missiles were fired close together in time.

From the Business Insider--
The video shows the plane being struck by the first missile, which appeared to result in a small explosion, followed by the second missile strike about 20 seconds later.

[Captain7seas]

“The Iranians are blaming it on incompetence”,

Then they should include the authorities at the airport who allowed the airport to remain open.

[Captain7seas]

“I heard last night, that the plane was turning to go back to the airport after it was struck the 1st time”
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Flight Radar24 showed the track of the plane going essentially straight in. I saw little deviation from the original heading of the plane.

[nuconvert]

1 min 53. sec. was according to a Calif. based journalist.

[nuconvert]

“Then they should include the authorities at the airport who allowed the airport to remain open.”

I agree.
There was a supposed leak from IRGC that they intentionally let commercial airlines fly in order to provide a “human shield” against a U.S attack, knowing that we wouldn’t jeopardize shooting down civilians.
That sure sounds like something they’d do.

[nuconvert]

According to their website…(update Jan. 9) “the aircraft climbed to 8,000 ft and turned right back toward the airport.”

[poconopundit]

No, my eyesite degraded, but not too much. My Dad was most worried I would lose my NROTC scholarship which was getting me through college on Uncle Sam’s dime.

All is well. For several years afterwards, when I visited an optometrist or opthamologist, it would freak out the doctor, but the little plastic pieces were tiny and benign.

[poconopundit]

Interesting to hear how your experience parallelled mine in some respects.

Americans are pretty versatile. Throw us in an unknown situation and we’re liable to figure out what to do.

The ability to improvise is in our genes :-)

[Captain7seas]

“the aircraft climbed to 8,000 ft and turned right back toward the airport.”

You can check it on Flightradar24. There is only a slight (5-10 degree) deviation right.

[nuconvert]

Maybe the pilot was unable to turn the plane more because it had already been hit by 1 missile

[V K Lee]

The Lord watches over his flock. As a child, had the opportunity to find fool’s gold in rocks carried home from vacation up north. Once home, mined them with hammer. No gold in return, but a bit of something flew into my eye while mining. Dr. removed the bit of ‘gold’; which was not near enough to pay his bill :-/ A promise made to my parents never to attempt to mine ever again.

[rlmorel]

I think it is one of the things that makes us prosperous in peace and fearsome in war is the freedom to think and act, and the work ethic to act.

I often hear anecdotes of people from European countries that come to the USA, and say that we work too hard.

It’s true. We do. (I was on the road at six this morning and just got off a call now. We work hard.

But we value the independence that prosperity can bring to those willing to work for it.

By the way-thanks for your service...I gleaned from another post of yours you went to Annapolis. Thank you.

[going hot]

Hmmm, two missiles, two scoops, I see a pattern emerging.

[poconopundit]

A pocket miner! Good story. So you’ll appreciate this mining story by Mark Twain...

http://www.online-literature.com/twain/roughing-it/62/

[poconopundit]

I looked at your FR profile again, and read again about your appreciation for your Mom and Dad.

It’s great to see full pictures of them. And reading your praise of them, I can imagine being in their presence. It’s a fine tribute indeed.

I would say the East Asian work culture is similar to what we have in the USA.

When do most of my work these days at the library of the local University. And if you arrive early, you usually some Asian students. I think it derived from the Confucian culture and what they call “filial piety” — a respect for elders and your parents.

It’s a great virtue because it gives you a heightened sense of family and thankfulness for what you have in this life.

On the other hand, filial piety (as interpreted in Japan) perhaps goes too far to an American’s liking. It puts big burden on a family’s first-born son who becomes responsible for taking care of his parents into old age — having them live in the same house. And that’s especially burdensome to the wife of the first-born son who must put up with the demands of a cantankerous mother-in-law.

The countries of Japan, Taiwan, and Korea are also big fans of baseball.

[rlmorel]

Thank you for that comment about my Mom and Dad...how I miss them. Just recently, I came across a VCR tape I had lost of my dad giving this speech back in 1995 on Memorial Day:

Just hearing his voice again after all these years (going on twenty since he passed on) got me well choked up...but it was nice to hear. Funny, my Dad didn't have an ounce of political correctness in him, and having joined at the end of WWII on a West Coast destroyer, he opined that if we had more nuclear weapons earlier, we should have used them. (this was the 25th anniversary of the end of the war) That comment made some break out the fainting couches, and he made it into the local newspapers the next day...:)

And on the difference in cultures, yes. Asians likely are better than us in some aspects of this that we have back-slid on, but we are both better than middle eastern or Persian cultures in that respect, IMO. As for being the First Born, I think that is always tough in many places...