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HUGE! From CDC Website: Hospitals to List COVID-19 as Cause of Death Even if It's "Assumed to Have Caused Or Contributed to Death" - Lab Tests Not Required
GATEWAY PUNDIT ^ | 4/4/2020 | Christina Laila

Posted on 04/05/2020 4:34:23 AM PDT by bitt

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To: Kozak
If you still think this is the flu there’s no reasoning with you.

You realize your medical experience pales in comparison with advanced crackpottery, coupled with a GATEWAY PUNDIT article!!

41 posted on 04/05/2020 5:04:22 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: canuck_conservative
What if someone is hit by a car or shot in a robbery, then dies ... but coronoavirus is later found in them ... are they classified as a corona death?

This is exactly what happened in Connecticut. A baby died tragically from sudden infant death syndrome or positional asphyxiation and the Connecticut State Epidemiologist Matthew Cartter stated as much, but that didn't stop ned lamont from running to the microphones to uncategorically "COVID-19 IS KILLING BABIES! We need more abortion funding!"

42 posted on 04/05/2020 5:04:40 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They are openly stating that they intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live.)
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To: bitt

“assumed to have caused or contributed to”

What a brilliant approach! So inclusive! It’s like a penumbra that lets you stuff new “rights” into the Constitution.

Let’s use it for unemployment too! Quit showing up for work and then claim some bennies because coronavirus is “assumed to have caused or contributed to” your absence.

While they’re at it, quit stalling and “assume” that hydroxychloroquine “caused or contributed to” everyone’s recovery from coronavirus.


43 posted on 04/05/2020 5:04:58 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( Ready to move on and give the Dems Covfefe-'20!)
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To: Kozak

‘Now you are being ridiculous.’

yes, that was a ridiculous analogy, but the salient question is this; does someone who is known to have some sort of comorbidity, who then tests positive for the virus, and eventually dies, get written up as a coronavirus death statistic...? the real problem here is we are not being informed of the circumstances of those who are perishing; we have no way of determining their chances of survival devoid of the viral contagion...the picture being painted now is that perfectly healthy young people are getting infected with this contagion and dying...


44 posted on 04/05/2020 5:05:35 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: paterfamilias

Because it has always been done a certain (and imo wrong) way does not mean it needs to continue.

I used to work with someone who thought this way and they had the bosses ear (and their nose up his butt) and his excuse anytime a change in procedure was suggested was to claim we couldn’t do it and when asked why he gave the same stupid answer which was because we never did it before.


45 posted on 04/05/2020 5:05:43 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: bitt
I'm still wondering why surgeons wear face masks, if they are healthy? Are they protecting themselves, or their patients?

The CDC now demands that EVERYONE wear masks. Who are they protecting? Or is it because they CAN?

46 posted on 04/05/2020 5:09:45 AM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: Kozak
So someone dies with fever, hypoxia and viral pneumonia during a pandemic. guess what they died of? We do this all the time in medicine.

Well it beats blaming it on witches.

47 posted on 04/05/2020 5:10:08 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( Ready to move on and give the Dems Covfefe-'20!)
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To: bitt
Tracking COVID-19 hospital expenses important for federal funding

COVID-19 relief funding for hospitals will be coming through several government sources, so experts recommend that hospitals immediately begin tracking all their expenses and lost revenue.

Hospitals could be eligible for funds through the Federal Emergency Management Agency, several funding streams set up by Congress in the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act, state grants and HHS programs. Each of the funding sources can be used for different purposes, have different requirements and are likely to be audited later.

As hospital administrators are already dealing with a mounting crisis, Robert Reeves, a partner at Ernst & Young, recommends that hospitals identify a team to document expenses and lost revenue, identify funding sources, prioritize funding applications, and ensure documentation is in place so funds aren't clawed back later for being improperly used.

Hospitals will be under INTENSE financial pressure to treat as many deaths as they can as COVID deaths, in order to be reimbursed by federal funds -- ESPECIALLY hospitals which get lots of Medicaid and uninsured patients.

48 posted on 04/05/2020 5:11:02 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: brookwood

New York City is not America,you moron.


49 posted on 04/05/2020 5:14:28 AM PDT by SanchoP
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To: brookwood

Some of us are simply smart enough to realize that the hide under our beds approach is leading to problems you can’t even begin to conceptualize. If you want the country shut down you are literally putting 330 million Americans at risk of a very, very bad outcome. This graph may shed some light on where we are headed. Goldman Sachs is projecting the amplitude to get 5x - 10x higher.

https://twitter.com/wellagedcheese/status/1246548366454149120?s=21


50 posted on 04/05/2020 5:19:19 AM PDT by tatown
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To: bitt

This kind of thing is done ALL THE TIME. For instance if someone elderly has a heart condition and suddenly drops dead the cause of death is listed as a heart attack.


51 posted on 04/05/2020 5:20:01 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (There are only two genders.)
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To: Kozak

Now he is addressing just how far the CDC nonsense you are defending has actually gone.

Which says good things about him.


52 posted on 04/05/2020 5:20:22 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: PapaBear3625

Not just hospitals since hospitals since administrators don’t sign death certificates.

Doctors sign death certificates.

The love of money truly is the root of all evil.


53 posted on 04/05/2020 5:20:54 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: billyboy15

how is it Prof Ricciardi, adviser to Italy’ minister of health, can say all this to a so-called reputable British newspaper, and yet the world’s MSM continue daily to quote the high figures, around 15,000 last I noticed as being Italian covid deaths? why not say Italy has around 2,000 covid deaths?

23 Mar: UK Telegraph: Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy?
The country’s high death toll is due to an ageing population, overstretched health system and the way fatalities are reported
By Sarah Newey
According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics - the nation has the second oldest population worldwide - and the manner in which hospitals record deaths...

But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.
“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.
“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

what if only half or less of NY State’s covid deaths are caused by covid?

and, even if we accept Italy’s high death rate, and we extrapolate it to US population, they would have around 75,000 deaths by now. makes US figure I last saw of around 8,400 look rather different than the media is making out. you’d think US had massive covid deaths the way I hear it on BBC, ABC Australia etc.

Population: Italy 60 million, deaths 15,000; (75,000 if they had 327 million population).

FakeNewsMSM is cherry-picking all numbers.

world deaths might only be around half the official figure at this rate.


54 posted on 04/05/2020 5:21:40 AM PDT by MAGAthon ( Fauc)
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To: IrishBrigade
...the salient question is this; does someone who is known to have some sort of comorbidity, who then tests positive for the virus, and eventually dies, get written up as a coronavirus death statistic...?

According to the CDC guidance, the answer is "yes". And it's still "yes" if NO test was given for the virus.

The real problem is not the doctors, who already have too much to deal with, the problem is with the statisticians, and the ever increasing reporting requirements imposed by the various levels of government. With patients in dire circumstances, I would safely assume that statistics are the last thing doctors worry about.

Any report that comes in from the field that mentions anything about COVID-19 will be added to the COVID-19 death count without question.

55 posted on 04/05/2020 5:22:17 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ("We're not going to make America great again. It was never that great." Andrew Cuomo)
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To: Artemis Webb

That’s absolutely true.

But we do NOT shut down the country for cardiac deaths.


56 posted on 04/05/2020 5:23:07 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: billyboy15

I always try my best to list them cause of death as precisely as I can. So in the example given I would code the following.

1. Cardiac arrest as a result of
2. Acid hypodermic respiratory failure (J 96.20) as a result off
3. Pneumonia Not Otherwise Specified.

Now if the patient is a PUI I might wait until results so I could get it right.
The point being is that if the corona virus code is being used without testing then we don’t have an accurate representation.

But here is what the CDC might do if docs legitimately coded. They might lump the NOS and presume a CoVId death.

What we have lost sight of with the scoreboard mentality is how many people die each day in the region. Are we seeing an increase in death or are we peddling panic. My guess? It’s not as bad as being reported but it is causing a marginal uptick this time of year so there is a real issue.

And before I get attacked by my colleague yes I know what I am talking about as I am just leaving a critical care shift at the moment and going back tonight.


57 posted on 04/05/2020 5:23:27 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: bitt

I habe no doubt that there is much of a premeditated psyop to this. But the virus is also a bioweapon that is creating a spike in hospital demand, and death, in areas where it has really taken hold. IMO Geico has been leading an effort to lull Trump into national and political suicide by downplaying the risk and delaying not only the delivery of but permission for localities to administer needed tests. Then mocing into hysteria and overstatement, along denial, deflection and delay from the simple hydroxychloroquine prophylactic and cure.

Treason is the appropriate charge for him and his conspirators.


58 posted on 04/05/2020 5:25:13 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Kozak

It is also not done in medicine much of the time.


59 posted on 04/05/2020 5:25:26 AM PDT by impimp
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To: Kozak

From Fake News to Fake Medicine.... the endless lie.


60 posted on 04/05/2020 5:25:55 AM PDT by ptsal ( Bust the NVIA)
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