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How high will it go? As Covid-19 death toll in U.S. blows past 60,000, there are no easy answers
STAT ^ | April 30, 2020 | SHARON BEGLEY and HYACINTH EMPINADO

Posted on 05/02/2020 10:13:10 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

When STAT first compared projected U.S. deaths from Covid-19, in early April, there seemed to be a glimmer of good news: A prominent model had just lowered its estimate for total deaths through Aug. 4 from about 100,000 to 60,000, reflecting the apparent success of three weeks of social distancing across much of the country.

On Wednesday, April 29, the country blew past 60,000, more than three months before the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation projected. (The 60,000 almost certainly undercounts Covid-19 deaths, by about 9,000.) IHME, whose model has been criticized by many epidemiologists, now says the most likely death toll on Aug. 4 will be 72,433, though it could be as low as about 60,000 (obviously impossible) and as high as 115,000.

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To: DoodleBob

CDC cut this # almost in half today, to 37k


101 posted on 05/02/2020 2:36:19 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: MinorityRepublican

Given that many people who die from comorbidities are registered as “covirus deaths”, the numbers continue to be BS. I call BS on this whole attempt to use this situation as a political weapon against President Trump and his supporters. This a big exaggerated fraud.


102 posted on 05/02/2020 2:37:00 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp???)
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To: LS

No validity in that.


103 posted on 05/02/2020 2:42:23 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

All of these “deaths” supposedly by COVID-19 is nothing but a complete bunch of bovine scatology. It has already been proven that these POS hospital staffs have conspired to call any death, no mater the real cause as due to COVID-19. And since the MSM (Main Stream Morons) and their bosses in the DNC control what is given out, they continue to get their sick, perverted, dements ways and their false facts and outright lies go on and on!!!!!


104 posted on 05/02/2020 2:47:42 PM PDT by RollingThunder ( LIBERALS - Lying Ignorant Bums Endangering Real American Lives & Society)
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To: MinorityRepublican

And how many of these “Wuhan Flu” deaths were really from the Wuhan Flu.

I can reasonably assume that probably half or a little less were not related to it. But the Fed money is good for each one they record.

Follow the money.


105 posted on 05/02/2020 3:25:17 PM PDT by CapnJack
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To: Skywise

Snore

Let me know when the hysteria ends

Thanks


106 posted on 05/02/2020 3:55:45 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guv mint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: VideoDoctor
I do what I can.

I fix what don't work.

Just an ord'nary man.

Ain't no death-loving jerk.

107 posted on 05/02/2020 4:35:51 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Sacajaweau

“Includes seniors who were refused admittance to NY Hospitals and sent BACK to their nursing homes to die.“
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After first infecting other residents and caregivers in the nursing home....all intentionally according to plan, IMHO.


108 posted on 05/02/2020 4:41:11 PM PDT by House Atreides (It is not a HOAX but it IS A PRETEXT)
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To: faucetman

“Everyone is adding NON-COVID deaths to the total FOR CASH!”

Exactly. When you pay hospitals and local governments for COVID cases, there is no limit to how many cases we might have.

When you pay people to be unemployed above and beyond unemployment benefits, you get more unemployed. A lot more.

When you make forgivable loans, there will be as many loans made as there are funds available.

Econ 101.


109 posted on 05/02/2020 4:42:05 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: MinorityRepublican

Bout past by being tied up over nothing. A shamexercise perpetrated on MAGA. And except for the dieing which is not good in any respect this whole thing is blown way out of proportion.
2.8 million people die annually in the United States, that’s 230000 per month.
I have not seen any statistics to indicate a bump in this road as this whole thing would have been under the Obama regime.


110 posted on 05/02/2020 4:52:29 PM PDT by Recompennation
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To: TexasFreeper2009

True ... we can — and did “flatten the infection curve” (the previous justification for the lockdown ... but what we cannot do is change the area under the infection curve ... we can only lengthen the time along the x-axis.


111 posted on 05/02/2020 4:59:21 PM PDT by glennaro (Dennis Prager: "Until It's Safe" means "Never")
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To: saintgermaine

I have never heard of this, but ordered some from AMZN. Thanks for the tip.


112 posted on 05/02/2020 6:45:13 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

You are never going to know........


113 posted on 05/02/2020 6:46:33 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Mar's isn't a place to raise your kid...)
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To: MinorityRepublican; LS
No validity in what? The cdc numbers say 37,308 deaths as of 1 May - link
114 posted on 05/02/2020 6:58:04 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves)
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To: Cronos
Florida has a completely different climate and population density.

My point exactly

115 posted on 05/02/2020 7:17:13 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Screw journalists.)
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To: faucetman

Exactly. As soon as I heard the term “comorbidities: associated with the situation, I figured it was a free-for-all.
Got a hangnail? It’s a comorbidity and you really died from coronavirus.
Then - throw in the fact that doctors and nurses and floor scrubbers from hospitals SAID OVER AND OVER they didn’t have testing equipment!
How do you say somebody died from CORONAVIRUS if YOU CAN’T TEST FOR IT?


116 posted on 05/02/2020 7:28:10 PM PDT by djf (Better to be anecdotally alive than clinically dead!)
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To: Glad2bnuts

If you are contemplating using BHT you may consider ordering it as soon as possible.

How so? About a couple of days ago I received my bulk shipment of BHT powder which I ordered to replenish my supply. When it is sealed and stored in a refrigerator the shelf life is many years. After getting several replies like yours, I was going to point out how and where to obtain it, so I checked on the availability and was surprised to find out that the seller of my product pulled his add and the list of other sellers was greatly diminished. I obtained mine from Amazon.

Now keep in mind that there is no shortage of BHT as it is produced in thousand of pounds as it has many uses in industry as a potent anti oxidant as well as many other numerous uses and of course also as a additive in animal feeds to keep viral diseases at bay. There are a couple of reasons which cam to mind why some sellers pulled their products. Some people may not like my comment, but I do believe socialists are hell bent on prolonging this viral epidemic for as long as possible, to undermine the economy for one, and in a roundabout way to get rid of our current president, who I think has done so far a remarkable job. It must have become apparent that more and more BHT has been sold for individual usage and perhaps some of the powers to be decided to put the breaks on.

The other thought which crossed my mind was, just think that there is a substance out there which in quantities as low as 450 mg (milligrams) per day, or even lower could keep this virus (if lipid coated and the corona virus is) at bay, besides BHT has many other health benefits due to its potent anti oxidants properties, as you may well know that here are many fatty substances circulating in our blood stream and oxidation may change the characteristics of these fatty substances enough so hey will be deposited where you don’t want them, and clog your arteries like arthrosclerosis.

A good example is or was the old fashioned oil base house paint. As long as it was fairly fresh, perhaps in a day or two you were still able to remove it with turpentine or similar substance. But after that and a little later this oil based house paint has OXIDIZED and turned into a RESIN and you no longer will be able to budge it and BHT prevents this from happening. Mix some BHT into some old fashioned oil base type house paint and you may have to wait for a long, long time for it to dry. Of course there are other reasons as well what causes substances to stick to the interior walls of arteries, but this is another subject.

Just hypothetical speaking, a pill or capsule which could be sold like Aspirin for a little bit of nothing would be enough to give any CEO of a drug company a nightmare. And between me and you as far as safety is concerned I have more confidence in BHT than for say in prednisone or many of the other cholesterol lowering drugs, just to mention a couple, which in the long run can cause a lot of damage.

Another reason which crossed my mind why some of the sellers may have pulled their product is that we have a lot of ignorant if not outright dumb people out there, and I am not just talking about politicians. There are enough people who are under the impression that more always means better, and more often than not he difference between a cure or a potential poison is in the quantity. In case of BHT 250 mg to about 450 mg should be enough to do the job of dismantling lipid coated viruses and should you get the feeling that a virus may get the upper hand, doubling this amount for several days would not hurt.

If this does not do the desired job, any further increase would be foolish as there may be some other underlying causes at play. And from the information I have acquired reading about people who foolishly ingested extremely large amounts of BHT, from what I recall it was a bout 80 grams an insane amount, it made them feel woozy for a couple of days, but it did not kill them or left any long-lasting damage.

As mentioned earlier I like to buy my BHT in form of a powder which you can dissolve either in alcohol or oil, in my case olive oil as I believe it is absorbed better by the body in this manner, as it will not dissolve in water.

In my case I use about 200 ml (milliliter) of olive oil and dissolve 18 grams of BHT in it, using a small glass container. Warm it up slightly for about 35 seconds in a microwave and shake it some to make it go into solution. About one tsp. depending on the size of the tsp should give you about 450Mg.

Another thought which crossed my mind, of course unproven, is when you when you take BHT as a prophylactic no doubt that one or the other viruses may slip by undamaged and by doing so may be sufficient to wake up our immune system to fight whatever comes along. And with a greatly reduced viral load should make it a lot easier for the human body to fight the infection, very similar to what happens when you get vaccinated.

Another thing to consider would be that this virus most likely will mutate just like many other influenza viruses, and I believe we have not seen the end of it yet. By the time we come up with the proper vaccine it may have mutated enough to render such a vaccine questionable. On the other hand BHT doesn’t care how often this virus mutates, as long as it has a lipid cover, it will remove this cover and deactivate this virus.


117 posted on 05/02/2020 9:58:19 PM PDT by saintgermaine (THE TIME TRAVELLER)
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To: datura

If you are contemplating using BHT you may consider ordering it as soon as possible.

How so? About a couple of days ago I received my bulk shipment of BHT powder which I ordered to replenish my supply. When it is sealed and stored in a refrigerator the shelf life is many years. After getting several replies like yours, I was going to point out how and where to obtain it, so I checked on the availability and was surprised to find out that the seller of my product pulled his add and the list of other sellers was greatly diminished. I obtained mine from Amazon.

Now keep in mind that there is no shortage of BHT as it is produced in thousand of pounds as it has many uses in industry as a potent anti oxidant as well as many other numerous uses and of course also as a additive in animal feeds to keep viral diseases at bay. There are a couple of reasons which cam to mind why some sellers pulled their products. Some people may not like my comment, but I do believe socialists are hell bent on prolonging this viral epidemic for as long as possible, to undermine the economy for one, and in a roundabout way to get rid of our current president, who I think has done so far a remarkable job. It must have become apparent that more and more BHT has been sold for individual usage and perhaps some of the powers to be decided to put the breaks on.

The other thought which crossed my mind was, just think that there is a substance out there which in quantities as low as 450 mg (milligrams) per day, or even lower could keep this virus (if lipid coated and the corona virus is) at bay, besides BHT has many other health benefits due to its potent anti oxidants properties, as you may well know that here are many fatty substances circulating in our blood stream and oxidation may change the characteristics of these fatty substances enough so hey will be deposited where you don’t want them, and clog your arteries like arthrosclerosis.

A good example is or was the old fashioned oil base house paint. As long as it was fairly fresh, perhaps in a day or two you were still able to remove it with turpentine or similar substance. But after that and a little later this oil based house paint has OXIDIZED and turned into a RESIN and you no longer will be able to budge it and BHT prevents this from happening. Mix some BHT into some old fashioned oil base type house paint and you may have to wait for a long, long time for it to dry. Of course there are other reasons as well what causes substances to stick to the interior walls of arteries, but this is another subject.

Just hypothetical speaking, a pill or capsule which could be sold like Aspirin for a little bit of nothing would be enough to give any CEO of a drug company a nightmare. And between me and you as far as safety is concerned I have more confidence in BHT than for say in prednisone or many of the other cholesterol lowering drugs, just to mention a couple, which in the long run can cause a lot of damage.

Another reason which crossed my mind why some of the sellers may have pulled their product is that we have a lot of ignorant if not outright dumb people out there, and I am not just talking about politicians. There are enough people who are under the impression that more always means better, and more often than not he difference between a cure or a potential poison is in the quantity. In case of BHT 250 mg to about 450 mg should be enough to do the job of dismantling lipid coated viruses and should you get the feeling that a virus may get the upper hand, doubling this amount for several days would not hurt.

If this does not do the desired job, any further increase would be foolish as there may be some other underlying causes at play. And from the information I have acquired reading about people who foolishly ingested extremely large amounts of BHT, from what I recall it was a bout 80 grams an insane amount, it made them feel woozy for a couple of days, but it did not kill them or left any long-lasting damage.

As mentioned earlier I like to buy my BHT in form of a powder which you can dissolve either in alcohol or oil, in my case olive oil as I believe it is absorbed better by the body in this manner, as it will not dissolve in water.

In my case I use about 200 ml (milliliter) of olive oil and dissolve 18 grams of BHT in it, using a small glass container. Warm it up slightly for about 35 seconds in a microwave and shake it some to make it go into solution. About one tsp. depending on the size of the tsp should give you about 450Mg.

Another thought which crossed my mind, of course unproven, is when you when you take BHT as a prophylactic no doubt that one or the other viruses may slip by undamaged and by doing so may be sufficient to wake up our immune system to fight whatever comes along. And with a greatly reduced viral load should make it a lot easier for the human body to fight the infection, very similar to what happens when you get vaccinated.

Another thing to consider would be that this virus most likely will mutate just like many other influenza viruses, and I believe we have not seen the end of it yet. By the time we come up with the proper vaccine it may have mutated enough to render such a vaccine questionable. On the other hand BHT doesn’t care how often this virus mutates, as long as it has a lipid cover, it will remove this cover and deactivate this virus.


118 posted on 05/02/2020 10:00:43 PM PDT by saintgermaine (THE TIME TRAVELLER)
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To: datura

If you are contemplating using BHT you may consider ordering it as soon as possible.

How so? About a couple of days ago I received my bulk shipment of BHT powder which I ordered to replenish my supply. When it is sealed and stored in a refrigerator the shelf life is many years. After getting several replies like yours, I was going to point out how and where to obtain it, so I checked on the availability and was surprised to find out that the seller of my product pulled his add and the list of other sellers was greatly diminished. I obtained mine from Amazon.

Now keep in mind that there is no shortage of BHT as it is produced in thousand of pounds as it has many uses in industry as a potent anti oxidant as well as many other numerous uses and of course also as a additive in animal feeds to keep viral diseases at bay. There are a couple of reasons which cam to mind why some sellers pulled their products. Some people may not like my comment, but I do believe socialists are hell bent on prolonging this viral epidemic for as long as possible, to undermine the economy for one, and in a roundabout way to get rid of our current president, who I think has done so far a remarkable job. It must have become apparent that more and more BHT has been sold for individual usage and perhaps some of the powers to be decided to put the breaks on.

The other thought which crossed my mind was, just think that there is a substance out there which in quantities as low as 450 mg (milligrams) per day, or even lower could keep this virus (if lipid coated and the corona virus is) at bay, besides BHT has many other health benefits due to its potent anti oxidants properties, as you may well know that here are many fatty substances circulating in our blood stream and oxidation may change the characteristics of these fatty substances enough so hey will be deposited where you don’t want them, and clog your arteries like arthrosclerosis.

A good example is or was the old fashioned oil base house paint. As long as it was fairly fresh, perhaps in a day or two you were still able to remove it with turpentine or similar substance. But after that and a little later this oil based house paint has OXIDIZED and turned into a RESIN and you no longer will be able to budge it and BHT prevents this from happening. Mix some BHT into some old fashioned oil base type house paint and you may have to wait for a long, long time for it to dry. Of course there are other reasons as well what causes substances to stick to the interior walls of arteries, but this is another subject.

Just hypothetical speaking, a pill or capsule which could be sold like Aspirin for a little bit of nothing would be enough to give any CEO of a drug company a nightmare. And between me and you as far as safety is concerned I have more confidence in BHT than for say in prednisone or many of the other cholesterol lowering drugs, just to mention a couple, which in the long run can cause a lot of damage.

Another reason which crossed my mind why some of the sellers may have pulled their product is that we have a lot of ignorant if not outright dumb people out there, and I am not just talking about politicians. There are enough people who are under the impression that more always means better, and more often than not he difference between a cure or a potential poison is in the quantity. In case of BHT 250 mg to about 450 mg should be enough to do the job of dismantling lipid coated viruses and should you get the feeling that a virus may get the upper hand, doubling this amount for several days would not hurt.

If this does not do the desired job, any further increase would be foolish as there may be some other underlying causes at play. And from the information I have acquired reading about people who foolishly ingested extremely large amounts of BHT, from what I recall it was a bout 80 grams an insane amount, it made them feel woozy for a couple of days, but it did not kill them or left any long-lasting damage.

As mentioned earlier I like to buy my BHT in form of a powder which you can dissolve either in alcohol or oil, in my case olive oil as I believe it is absorbed better by the body in this manner, as it will not dissolve in water.

In my case I use about 200 ml (milliliter) of olive oil and dissolve 18 grams of BHT in it, using a small glass container. Warm it up slightly for about 35 seconds in a microwave and shake it some to make it go into solution. About one tsp. depending on the size of the tsp should give you about 450Mg.

Another thought which crossed my mind, of course unproven, is when you when you take BHT as a prophylactic no doubt that one or the other viruses may slip by undamaged and by doing so may be sufficient to wake up our immune system to fight whatever comes along. And with a greatly reduced viral load should make it a lot easier for the human body to fight the infection, very similar to what happens when you get vaccinated.

Another thing to consider would be that this virus most likely will mutate just like many other influenza viruses, and I believe we have not seen the end of it yet. By the time we come up with the proper vaccine it may have mutated enough to render such a vaccine questionable. On the other hand BHT doesn’t care how often this virus mutates, as long as it has a lipid cover, it will remove this cover and deactivate this virus.


119 posted on 05/02/2020 10:02:09 PM PDT by saintgermaine (THE TIME TRAVELLER)
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To: dp0622
The ignorance on this board based on hatred of the Northeast is hysterical. I want I wonder if cases explode in a state not up here if you guys will post at all.

I was born in Mass and grew-up in Maryland.

Yes, the NE sucks.

And I've lived in Germany, Florida, North Carolina, Louisiana, California, Tennessee, Washington and Texas.

Yes .... the .... Northeast ... sucks. Though perk-up!! Washington and California are right up there.

120 posted on 05/03/2020 12:20:55 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Screw journalists.)
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