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To: Red6
"1. They often do not offer life long protection (short duration)."

So you mean I have to get another 2-second shot one or more years later to massively lower my risk of death? Oh well suddenly it doesn't seem worth it! /s

"2. Some like the early forms of anthrax vaccines I received (the old 5 shot series) have serious side effects."

Side effects from vaccines are less than one in a million. Literally, that's it. The vaccine injury compensation fund will pay out anyone who can provide a reasonable accusation of harm from a vaccine. There is no need to prove you were actually injured. There is no need to have a medically sound trail of evidence. You simply make a reasonable claim of injury and they pay you a 6-figure payout. And even with that insanely low bar and huge payday, they pay out about 1 time per million vaccination shots.

"3. Many vaccines only have a “probability” of being effective, i.e. that your immune system actually begins providing the desired protection."

And many are at or near 100% effective. Still, take the Influenza vaccine: on a good year it'll be 50% effective, thanks to the fast mutation rates of the viruses involved. That's still 50% fewer people who have to get infected before herd immunity is achieved. And that's ~50% fewer deaths. Considering Influenza kills 37,000 people per year on average in the US, that little shot is saving tens of thousands of lives in the US each year. For a 2-second shot your insurance covers 100%.

"We don’t want to fix ourselves or actually deal with the problems at hand and would rather just throw money at every problem."

Vaccines ARE fixing ourselves and actually dealing with the problem at hand. Vaccines are why parents in the US today aren't terrified of polio crippling or killing their kids. They're why millions of us are still alive instead of dead from smallpox. They're why we no longer have huge hospital wings filled with iron lungs. You get a handful of shots and your life expectancy suddenly spikes way up. Seems like a darn good deal to me.

57 posted on 07/09/2020 8:38:42 AM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

“Literally,” that’s not the case. Take it from someone that got the anthrax vaccine and had a reaction, me, personally.

Not all vaccines are the same.

The small pox vaccine which is very safe, been around a long time:

“In the 1960s, serious adverse events associated with smallpox vaccination in the United States included death (1/million vaccinations), progressive vaccinia (1.5/million vaccinations), eczema vaccinatum (39/million vaccinations), postvaccinial encephalitis (12/million vaccinations), and generalized vaccinia (241/million vaccinations).20 Adverse events were approximately ten times more common among those vaccinated for the first time compared to revaccinees.20 Fatality rates were also four times higher for primary vaccinees compared to revaccinees.21” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1069029/

There is about 1 death in a million, but the rate of people having adverse reactions to this is by an order of magnitude (200 times) larger than you claim.

Some vaccines work very well, have a low incidence of adverse reaction, but not every vaccine is like that and today some folks use a broad brush to paint all vaccines as effective and low risk.

Let’s use the flu vaccine for example. There is a 30% chance they guess it wrong, i.e. do not mass produce and immunize against the strains that are actually spreading. Then the vaccine only has a 40 - 60% chance of being effective, i.e. your body actually making the antibodies.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm (40 - 60% does not include the 30% probability of guessing it wrong all together).

So while the flu vaccine has few adverse reactions, it is not very effective and the flu even if you get it, is generally not very lethal (also over played by the MSM and pro-vaccination crowd).

On the other hand, small pox has about a 95% chance of being effective (much higher than the flu). Finally, the flu vaccine only lasts a limited time and often people get it to late. So how effective is the flu vaccine? Not very. How effective was the polio vaccine? Extremely high.

https://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#LackofProportion

https://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#HastyGeneralization

https://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#Oversimplification

Rhetoric alone is no argument.

In reality, the best approach is one tailored to someones travels, career, age, sex, race, pre-existing medical conditions, and sexual behaviors. For example, my daughter is with a boy she met in high school. They will marry soon and it’s the only boy she’s ever been with and she’s the only girl he’s ever been with. What is the logical reason you can give me for them getting an HPV vaccine as was mandated by the state of Texas a few years ago under Rick Perry: https://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv-vaccine-young-women.htm

Will they get HPV by swimming in a lake? Tripping and falling? Someone sneezing in their face?

The broad brush approach simply does not make sense, and much of the “standard of care” in the US amounts to horrible conveyor belt health care. We have today created exactly the system we once made fun of in socialized health care systems and not surprisingly, the results are the same. But of course we are the best, number one, bla bla bla...

Not all vaccines make sense for various reasons.

The human condition is complex with a lot of variables.

The nature of government run health care, which America has (NIH with its “standard of care,” CDC, FDA, DEA... involvement in healthcare) has created the one size fits all solution.


58 posted on 07/09/2020 9:35:37 AM PDT by Red6
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