Posted on 07/31/2020 6:31:02 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
Yesterday of course was a tough day, although it was made better by all the love and well wishes we received from so many people – and that includes a lot of people on the political left. Even most of the media were nice!
Believe me, it made a difference.
But this is America 2020, and Herman was steeped in political activism, so of course that wasn’t going to be universal. I don’t even know what to do with some of the people who simply crowed about his passing because he was on the opposite side from them, or because he supported President Trump.
To use the word Rob invokes so often, these people are ghouls. I pray for their deliverance. The world certainly needs more Herman Cains (then again, he was one of a kind) and less of them.
But I do know how to address those who think Herman’s death was some sort of “karma” (that doesn’t exist, by the way) because he was, as some of them put it, a “COVID denier.”
There were a lot of people online yesterday claiming that Herman had this coming because he claimed COVID was a hoax, and he dismissed the importance of mask-wearing and social distancing. None of that is true.
(Excerpt) Read more at hermancain.com ...
To get a sense of Herman’s stance on COVID, all you have to do is watch the first few seconds of any of his recent shows. I’ve embedded one at the top of this page to make it easy for you. Even as early as June 11 when the show above aired, Herman was kicking off every broadcast by asking people to wash/sanitize their hands, social-distance (when did that become a complex verb?) and yes, wear masks.
More from this article:
He wore a mask and he told others to wear a mask. On every broadcast. Right at the start.
Now, a lot of people have mentioned that he was photographed at the Tulsa Trump rally without a mask on. That’s true. And from that, a lot of people have claimed it’s an established fact that this is where he contracted the virus. As we’ve discussed before, we don’t know where he contracted, but we do know that he traveled extensively in the week he was diagnosed. He was on planes going between several cities.
It’s not impossible he contracted it at the Tulsa rally. But most of us on his team tend to think it happened on one of the plane trips, or possibly during his stop in Las Vegas. That’s for several reasons, one of which is simply the inherent (and to me at least, obvious) risk involved with being on an airplane these days. Another is the fact that, for all the attention on Herman contracting the virus, we haven’t heard of a major outbreak of Tulsa rally participants who came down with it.
There was quite a bit of difference between his views and the views of whoever was running his twitter account. I think that accounts for some of the confusion. People expect that your tweets are expressing your views, but Herman’s tweets (clearly written by someone else) were anti-mask and Covid-skeptic, so the public reasonably assumed he was, too.
Oh, I see. I had not followed him on Twitter.
However did you find this article? I cannot bring up Herman Cain’s website after ten pages of scrolling. I tried 3 times.
I am sorry = I have lost the place where I read about this website here on FR. Will try to search it out again.
But the website is just: https://hermancain.com/
What’s that old saying? - “A lie travels half-way around the world before the truth gets its pants on,” or something like that. The gleeful lies about Cain were broadcast around the world, but only a few conservatives will see this rebuttal from people who knew and worked with him.
some of us old folks believe in quality of life, not lengthening the time...
Trying to find the website caused ‘heavy traffic’ to my computer’.
Count me in as a member of that group.
I liked Cain.
And yes, those that opposes you will often create arguments that make it appear you meant something which you never meant nor really said. They take your words and twist them, taking the reader or listener down a different path than intended, i.e. the flow of logic is used to lead someone to a different conclusion than the original speaker or writer intended.
Examples:
No one reasonable denies there is a virus out there, whatever we want to call it. The difference is in how we see government should react to it.
No one reasonable is saying that this virus is exactly the flu, but like the flu they see that this virus will “run it’s course” and not until a certain percentage have been exposed will it go away (regardless of what we do - not having a vaccine in hand).
No one reasonable is saying that this virus isn’t killing a lot of people, but some questioned (and rightfully so, since the numbers are now being adjusted downward) the extremely high mortality rates originally reported.
No one reasonable is saying that NY or others needed help with ventilators or other equipment, but some did question if the number of 30,000 ventilators is accurate.
Given the media hype, the political component to this issue, the grand standing my some experts and institutions, like so many other issues, a flag gets stuck into the ground, and then people rally around that flag. They are for global warming, for the withdraw of troops from Iraq, for a ban on DDT, and it’s less an argument of reason and more of ideology and which camp we find ourselves standing in. Objective thought goes out the window, and those that oppose our position (the other flag) become the enemy or we need to discredit them.
And there we have a perfect example.
Because you disagree with the mask, you will be made out as an idiot that denies there is a virus killing people.
I, like you, believe the mask to a waste of time.
It’s a pacifier for adults.
Most people don’t wash their cloth masks. Most cloth masks don’t work (not enough filtration), nor did the N95 masks with a big exhaust valve ever do anything. People do not change out their masks when wet (ideally every 20 minutes since your breath contains moisture).
***It makes people feel safer and in control.*** It gives people the simple fix they always long for. It gives some political figures the appearance as if they are “taking action in crisis” which today is leadership even if the crisis is make belief (global warming) or about as effective as charging at wind mills like Don Quixote with their mask solution. But if you’re a politician you “have to show action.” If you’re a government agency you need to “take action.” It’s expected of you, even if this action makes about as much sense as regulating sun spots or outlawing the magnetic pole reversal.
There is no true rational argument other than a superficial one that appears to make sense if not further investigated. At face value it sort of makes sense, a mask would help, right? Not really, because in the end, all that will really matter is the total number that are exposed and eventually the disease not having the ability to spread. That is why the lock down only caused a delay and once we open up it starts spreading again. Herd immunity is a real argument, not only when they are trying to peddle off an ineffective flu vaccine. Even without a vaccine, the same principal is true and if you look at the seasonal cold, flu, and many other commutable diseases in the past, that is exactly what happened. The disease came, a certain percent got it, and then it disappeared.
What we did accomplish is to expose those at highest risk to the disease may it be Quomo by ordering Covid-19 positive folks need to be taken back into senior living facilities, or the delay which caused for this disease to take a protracted course and thereby creating a higher probability of exposure for those with Cancer on chemo, AIDS, over 80... We should have sheltered those at risk, and for the rest of us it should have been business as usual. But stating that means I am an idiot and deny there is a virus, right? LOL
It sucks. The question is how we make it suck less. Our actions will not stop this disease, but it did kill more folks at risk, economically decimate us, and cause for all sorts of other issues... Telling people that this disease will run it’s course and 180,000 people will die from it ultimately, is not a politically tenable stance. So, now to appease the social, psychological and political Gods, we need to wear masks just like you were forced to buy a CFL years ago, or to recycle glass in some places: DO SOMETHING, DO SOMETHING!!!
To each his own. If that’s the hill you want to die on, fine. Just don’t take anybody with you who may want more time on God’s green earth
they can wear a mask, goggles, face shield, hazmat suit, and self quarantine.
Wearing a mask is worse than just a waste of time.
This is a form of social conformity, social control and social domination.
I hate this. I’m done with the training burkhas.
True,
But that happens with most social moments.
After they pick up inertia and become accepted as the “truth,” government makes regulations, employers corporate policies, politicians exploit it, and the arts and media proselytize it as as being a virtue to be on board with this movement, whatever it is.
If you really want to know how this works, watch this amusing video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC3CZBDz7Wg
The truth is that this applies to far more than recycling. It applies to near all these social movements. Homosexuality, environmentalism, national defense, feminism, so called minorities (which are really the majority), vaccines... It does not matter. America is a country of fads and trends, a place of extremes where all these fads and trends get inculcated into laws and government regulations and corporate policies.
Example: 40 years ago you couldn’t have a clearance and be homosexual, society looked down on this. Today government is actively recruiting homosexuals as part of their diversity programs, every politician wants to showcase their homosexual friend or relative, and sex changes are covered my most insurances.
Years ago, when you spoke out against Global Warming, what were you made out as?
Years ago when you spoke out against the ban for DDT, or argued that acid rain, or the ozone hole are just plain bullshit, what were you made out as?
Many years ago if you argued that the coming ice age isn’t going to happen, or more recently that polar bears, spotted owls, and baby seals aren’t going extinct, what would you be made out as?
More recently (2008 -2012 time frame) had you bought a H2 Hummer, what would many have said about you?
It’s always the same story. People want to elevate their status by conforming to the norms better than the person next to them, by proclaiming to the world that they are a “good person” because they recycle paper, and glass all BS programs BTW which would end were it not for government subsidies.
Truth is, there is no shortage of trees (paper), they are grown in farms and there is no shortage of sand (glass). Both of these require MORE energy and resources to recycle than to make new! No kidding. Glass has about a 20% loss and is a lower quality when recycled. Paper requires far more water and electricity to recycle than to make new, and it’s also a lower grade final product. But those people buying their gray and more expensive recycled paper at the university bookstore feel really good about themselves, and that is what it’s about. Worse yet, and this is what you are basically complaining about, is if you don’t play along and also buy the crappy more expensive paper, you get punished in some way.
I like your analogy of a burka, but what are you going to do? If you don’t play along you will be shamed and punished, excluded by society which now sees masks as: patriotic, responsible and professional (if in leadership). The debate over if it even makes any sense, is over. This social movement has established itself as a reality, just like the ozone hole.
I’ll take a look at the video you posted with great interest. Thank you.
Wrt your main point - this is happening now with “white supremacy” lies and mandatory training.
This is extremely dangerous.
Cheers, ‘Pod
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