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Recanting My Position On Trump
Townhall.com ^ | August 13, 2020 | Marc Newman

Posted on 08/13/2020 10:31:01 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

“Defunding Planned Parenthood didn’t happen, but not because of Trump. It failed because two Republican senators, Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins, voted “no” when the measure came up.”

This is a clear case of TRIBALISM - never forget it. We can elect women (or people from other ‘groups’) who claim to be conservative, but when it come to showing their backbone against ‘their own’, forget it. But it’s not the end of the world for us, since they are helpful in many other areas (for example, if a Democrat had been in the Senate instead of Collins, Kavenaugh would NOT be on the Supreme Court), but it is a cost to Republicans of trying to branch out a bit and pull in other types.

So my point being is that if Collins is with us 80% of the time, and, say (Amnesty-lover) Rubio is also with us 80% of the time, we’ll get at least one of these votes 95% of the time - whereas we’ll get at least one of these votes 0% of the time, if Dems are in these seats.


41 posted on 08/13/2020 11:37:57 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here)
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To: pbear8

If a person has no idea of what Trump has done these past almost 4 years how could you recruit them.


42 posted on 08/13/2020 11:49:09 AM PDT by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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To: Harpotoo

No one is beyond hope. Look at Leo Terrell.


43 posted on 08/13/2020 11:51:09 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: conservative98

It’s a Clownhall liberal. He will never vote for Trump.


44 posted on 08/13/2020 11:51:15 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Why should I bother to read about how some Never Trumper was wrong?”

Because we can’t afford circular firing squads! We need every soldier we can get. Welcome to this brother!


45 posted on 08/13/2020 11:54:24 AM PDT by gbscott
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To: Governor Dinwiddie; Responsibility2nd


". He didn't vote for President Trump because he had been burned in the past by Republicans who talk a good game at election time but never follow through."

I was in the same camp as this fellow(although I did hold my nose and vote for Trump)

I pegged him(Trump) as an 'Rockefeller liberal and would burn us conservatives as had many "conservative GOPers" before. (Bush I (Cough, cough)(Bush II (Cough, cough)

I have fallen on my knees and repented many times over for my lack of faith in Trump and haven't doubted his word since(Although maybe his judgement on political nominees)(SIL Jared (Cough, cough)(Depart. Homeland Secretary Majors(Cough, cough)

A 'broken glass' Trump supporter I will die.
46 posted on 08/13/2020 12:01:55 PM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: Responsibility2nd

I understand your frustration with #neverTrumpers.

For one thing, the whole idea of declaring one’s self a neverTrumper is absurd. Saying “never” in this context is like saying that you will not be open-minded. You will not be open to new facts or information.

But putting aside the “never” part of it, I think it is perfectly legitimate for people to doubt that a politician’s deeds will match his campaign rhetoric.

After all, don’t most politicians lie to get elected?

So, if people doubted in 2016 that Donald Trump was a conservative or even that he was a real Republican, and opposed him - that’s OK.

And if these people, having seen him keep his promises, publicly recant - that’s even better.

The neverTrumpers that I hate are the ones who were jealous of his success and resented his ability to quickly rise to the top of the Republican Party. Or the pundits who said he could never win, and became bitter because he proved them so wrong. Or the ones who chose early on, to believe that every horrible meme or smear levied against Trump was true, and are unwilling to believe otherwise.

These people hate him for his success - and the more he keeps his promises, the more they will hate him.


47 posted on 08/13/2020 12:04:04 PM PDT by enumerated
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To: Kaslin

So who did he vote for in 2016 if not Trump?


48 posted on 08/13/2020 12:17:19 PM PDT by funfan
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To: pbear8

Because it may give you information to help convert someone else to the cause.


Very good answer!


49 posted on 08/13/2020 12:17:21 PM PDT by tsowellfan (https://twitter.com/cafenetamerica)
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To: Responsibility2nd
So you couldn't believe Trump and thought he was the moral equivalent of a Clinton who would stare you in the eyes and deliberately tell a lie knowing it was a lie and knowing you knew it was a lie.

What you are is an effin D*wad. You didn't really need to announce that to the whole world.

50 posted on 08/13/2020 12:24:51 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Kaslin

It’s quite simple, I will gladly take every convert we can get. I know two who voted for Johnson last time who are fully with Trump this time. Welcome aboard!


51 posted on 08/13/2020 12:25:25 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Kaslin

Good to hear, but it took him this long to figure it out?????


52 posted on 08/13/2020 12:37:35 PM PDT by far sider
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To: Kaslin
There are quite simply no politicians that I agree with 100%. So I look at what I can accept and I look at what their adversaries stand for. So far the democrats have a tendency to be in favor of the wrong things. Even if they mouth the words, (looking at you Bart Stupak!) when push comes to shove they will always turn the wrong way. Every time. Every single time. You would think they would do something right every now and then if only by mistake.

When I voted for Trump it was because he was the best of a bad lot. He was saying the right things, he had the right enemies and he seemed to have a core of decency. And he was not a lawyer. Lawyers have their place but that place is not in government. So I hoped but I was prepared to be severely disappointed.

Have I been disappointed? A bit. He did not do things exactly like I would prefer.

Is he much better then I feared? Yep.

Did he do everything he promised? Nope.

Did he at least go down swinging? Yep.

Did he keep trying? Yep.

And that is about all you can ask for.

53 posted on 08/13/2020 12:44:23 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (And lead us not into hysteria, but deliver us from the handwashers. Amen!)
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To: Kaslin

I voted for Trump to keep Hillary out who is proven evil Trump might not be perfect but i never felt he was evil


54 posted on 08/13/2020 1:02:31 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom Hi Dad)
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To: caww

Thank you


55 posted on 08/13/2020 1:06:47 PM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: Kaslin

So, was he an Idiot then or is he an Idiot now?

Not Voting in 2016 was tantamount for Voting for the Butcheress of Benghazi.

Whatever, I’ll still take his Vote this time around.


56 posted on 08/13/2020 1:09:54 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Kill a Commie for your Mommy.)
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57 posted on 08/13/2020 1:13:47 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: Kaslin

Pretty sure Trump will do just fine even without this person’s vote.


58 posted on 08/13/2020 1:16:02 PM PDT by FormerFRLurker (Keep calm and vote your conscience.)
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To: conservative98

needed 100% proof that Trump would be prolife,

In all fairness I always check what any GOP candidate's position is on abortion because many Establishment politicians are squishy on the subject. They will say they're pro-life but then won't do anything about it. That's how we still have Roe vs. Wade in 2020. Verifying the pro-life credentials of an unknown like 2016 Trump isn't traitorous. It's doing your due diligence as a voter.

59 posted on 08/13/2020 1:28:41 PM PDT by FormerFRLurker (Keep calm and vote your conscience.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Did this guy think Hillary was going to do anything for the pro-life cause? If this was so important to him, he should have taken a chance and given Trump his vote.


60 posted on 08/13/2020 1:33:13 PM PDT by Cecily
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