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In Case of Electric-Car Fire, Half of Fire Departments Are Unprepared
https://www.msn.com ^ | 10/10/2020 | Sebastian Blanco

Posted on 10/10/2020 10:57:31 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19

The National Transportation Safety Board says the U.S. is woefully unprepared to deal with EV fires, which require different strategies than gasoline vehicle fires.

31 percent of fire departments don't train for EV fires, and half say they don't have special protocols in place to deal with EVs after a crash, the agency's report found.

Note the caveats, though. There are more than 29,000 fire departments in the U.S. This survey only asked for information from 32 of them.

If you have been reading Car and Driver for a while, there's a decent chance you remember the news when a Tesla Model S caught fire in 2013. Or that the NTSB was investigating Tesla fires in 2019. Or when a Porsche Taycan went up in flames earlier this year.

You might remember those things, because electric-vehicle fires make headlines. Of course, the reality is that, according to the U.S. Fire Administration (USFA), an average of 171,500 highway vehicle fires happened in the United States each year from 2014 through 2016, and the vast majority of them were in gasoline-powered cars.

Nonetheless, electric vehicles are still a shiny new thing to many people, and when something goes wrong with them, we notice. Automakers build safety systems into their battery packs, including rapid discharging in the event of a crash, but fires still happen, just as they can with gasoline-powered vehicles.

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KEYWORDS: automotive; autonomousvehicles; electric; ev; fire; ntsb; porschetaycan; tesla
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To: TChad

Rear doors. I was referencing front doors.


41 posted on 10/10/2020 1:23:30 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: EEGator

BOAT
Bust Out Another Thousand.


42 posted on 10/10/2020 1:32:24 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: EEGator
"Reliability is my Honda Accord, American muscle is a 1971 Chevelle SS. :)"

Reliability is Lexus.

American muscle is my


43 posted on 10/10/2020 1:35:57 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator
Rear doors. I was referencing front doors.

Spyktr's post #32 about his boss's experience is obviously about the rear doors, though he may not realize it. That's why I posted #40.

44 posted on 10/10/2020 1:37:03 PM PDT by TChad
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To: TexasGator

I said “lease”, not “buy”.


45 posted on 10/10/2020 1:39:39 PM PDT by sevlex
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To: Spktyr

“In the 2000s I had a situation at a client’s place where we ended up proving that a restored Chevelle 454SS was slower and had less wheel horsepower than the receptionist’s Honda Accord V6. And I got a steak dinner out of it. :D”

They must have put in a 6-cylinder during the restoration!


46 posted on 10/10/2020 1:53:13 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Spktyr

“and a lot of the cars of the 80s were faster than most or all of the classic muscle cars”

The 80’s? LOL!

1982 Corvette: 200 hp! Slower than the new Accord!


47 posted on 10/10/2020 2:30:45 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator

Yeah, and right there you show your prejudice. The American marques were mostly crap, but the *imports* were making actual fast (for the day) cars, that were faster than the ‘muscle’ cars.


48 posted on 10/10/2020 3:52:46 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: TexasGator

Nope, correctly blueprinted 454 motor. We had a chassis dyno and the Chevelle’s wheel horsepower was in the 230 range, the Accord was putting down ~245 IIRC.


49 posted on 10/10/2020 3:56:19 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

“Yeah, and right there you show your prejudice. The American marques were mostly crap, but the *imports* were making actual fast (for the day) cars, that were faster than the ‘muscle’ cars.”

LOL! I bought an MGB in 1970 and a ‘65 XKE in ‘72.

Now you are shifting to imports! Comparing super expensive imports to everyday American cars is asinine.

The 1988 Callaway ZR1 would blow away any og those exotics.


50 posted on 10/10/2020 4:05:27 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator

1969 Mustang 351 did 0-60 in 8.0 seconds.

1984 Nissan 300ZX Turbo: 7.1 seconds.
1989 Plymouth Laser/Mitsubishi Eclipse Turbo: 6.6 seconds.
1986 Dodge Omni GLHS: 6.1 seconds
1986 Mitsubishi Starion ES: 7.5 seconds
1987 Toyota Supra Turbo: 6.4 seconds

That’s assuming you didn’t do something like cut and plug the obvious yellow colored vacuum hose printed with the admonition to NEVER CUT AND PLUG THIS HOSE that would give you a considerable horsepower boost. (Nissan Skyline, among others.)


51 posted on 10/10/2020 4:12:17 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: TexasGator

See my prior post. Those weren’t super expensive imports. The Eclipse was a car cheap enough to be bought on a junior secretary’s salary in the day.

The 88 Callaway ZR1? Never existed. It’s either a *1990* ZR1 or the 88 Callaway Twin Turbo. The latter cost well in excess of $50K so it’s the “super expensive” exotic option, not the Nissan and Mitsu imports.


52 posted on 10/10/2020 4:16:18 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

“Nope, correctly blueprinted 454 motor. We had a chassis dyno and the Chevelle’s wheel horsepower was in the 230 range, the Accord was putting down ~245 IIRC.”

The OEM 1971 LS5 (lowest hp 454) would easily do more at the wheel. Any built 454 should do better. The LS6 454 would put down more than 300.

No way a V-6 Accord puts down 245. I doubt even the 2020 278 hp would dyno 245 and you are obviously referring to an older model.


53 posted on 10/10/2020 4:26:02 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Spktyr

“1969 Mustang 351 did 0-60 in 8.0 seconds.”

ROTFLMAO! With granny rowing the gears?

The 351 was NOT a muscle car but the BOSS was under 6 seconds!


54 posted on 10/10/2020 4:31:31 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Spktyr

The 88 Callaway ZR1? Never existed.”

Lol! They even made one with an automatic!

From the Calloway website.


In October 1988, this turbocharged, street-driven C4 Corvette shattered the closed-circuit speed record with a run of 254.76 mph


55 posted on 10/10/2020 4:39:40 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator

You’re forgetting the 1973 454SS.

https://www.autobarnclassiccars.com/vehicles/378/1973-chevrolet-chevelle-ss

That’s a real car. It was also real crap at 245hp. Fortunately it wasn’t the car put on the dyno. But it disproves your assertion that it was the lowest HP 454.

What was on the dyno was a 72, the previous body style, with the LS-5 - all of 275hp, driving a Rockcrusher. Again, this was a restoration with a blueprinted stock engine, not something built up. If you want to go with modified numbers, the sky (and the owner’s money) is the limit and I get to bring in the 1800HP street-legal Supras.

You are forgetting that there used to be manual Accord V6s that didn’t have the power sucking automatic. The 2008-2012 Honda Accord 6MT Coupe (she had an 09 IIRC) ostensibly had 268hp at the crank but would routinely put down 240-250 on a chassis dyno. (The Japanese were (and are) playing the BMW game and deliberately underrating their engines - especially in the wake of the Ford Cobra R horsepower scandal and lawsuits) You also forget that FWD is more efficient than RWD in terms of power loss.

The dyno doesn’t lie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BbaemNr9Vc&feature=emb_logo


56 posted on 10/10/2020 4:41:40 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: TexasGator

That’s the Twin Turbo. The ZR1 was a factory car and not made by Callaway, and it was first sold in *1990*.


57 posted on 10/10/2020 4:42:24 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

“The 88 Callaway ZR1? Never existed.”

supercars.net


1988 Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette
This Sledgehammer reached 254.76 mph at the Transportation Research Center (TRC) in Ohio and became the world’s fastest street-legal car for some time.

It was built up by Reeves Callaway in Connecticut as an example of what was possible with the new ZR1 and and turbocharging its LT5 engine.


58 posted on 10/10/2020 4:48:01 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator

Supercars.net is a bit mistaken there. Again. They’re pretty inaccurate.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0114-173940/1988-chevrolet-corvette-callaway-sledgehammer/

That’s not a ZR1.

https://drivetribe.com/p/callaway-corvette-sledgehammer-X-HZIByJRsyDuCAyNqUwiA?iid=bJ5YGDELRPKF0XI-2nWFlw

The ZR1 would not appear until the 90 model year and the engine is completely different looking - the 32V heads necessitate a different intake, etc.:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15141952/1990-chevrolet-corvette-zr-1-archived-test-review/

You are conflating the two cars.


59 posted on 10/10/2020 5:09:59 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

“That’s a real car. It was also real crap at 245hp. Fortunately it wasn’t the car put on the dyno. But it disproves your assertion that it was the lowest HP 454.”

I was staying with the pre-emmision, pre-SAE numbers, using the LS5 instead of the LS6.

When I saw blue-printed and restored I was not thinking of a mid-70’s emission-throttled engine.


60 posted on 10/10/2020 5:37:07 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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