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New York Times Editorial: The Philosophy That Makes Amy Coney Barrett So Dangerous; Do we really want our rights to be determined by the understandings of centuries ago?
New York Times ^ | 10/22/2020 | Erwin Chemerinsky

Posted on 10/22/2020 6:29:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

In 1987, Robert Bork was denied confirmation to the Supreme Court because his originalist beliefs were deemed a serious threat to constitutional rights. Originalism is no less dangerous for those rights today, yet Judge Amy Coney Barrett’s repeated statements professing her belief in originalism have been met with little objection.

Originalists believe that the meaning of a constitutional provision is fixed when it was adopted and that it can change only by constitutional amendment. Under this view, the First Amendment means the same thing as when it was adopted in 1791 and the 14th Amendment means the same thing as when it was ratified in 1868.

But rights in the 21st century should not be determined by the understandings and views of centuries ago. This would lead to terrible results. The same Congress that voted to ratify the 14th Amendment, which assures equal protection of the laws, also voted to segregate the District of Columbia public schools. Following originalism would mean that Brown v. Board of Education was wrongly decided in declaring laws requiring segregation of schools unconstitutional.

In fact, under the original public meaning of the Constitution, it would be unconstitutional to elect a woman as president or vice president until the Constitution is amended. Article II refers to them with the pronoun “he,” and there is no doubt that original understanding was that only men could hold these offices.

Throughout American history, the Supreme Court has rejected originalism and protected countless rights that cannot possibly be justified under that theory. For example, the court has interpreted the word “liberty” in the Constitution to protect the right to marry, to procreate, to custody of one’s children, to keep the family together,

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: New York
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1 posted on 10/22/2020 6:29:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So you posted this for a reason and I ask yet again what it means to you instead of posting and running off

Batter up


2 posted on 10/22/2020 6:31:36 PM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: SeekAndFind

No, Erwin, it is dangerous to allow un-elected judges a blank check to interpret the Constitution to coincide with their personal beliefs and biases. That is a complete rejection of the separation of powers and of representative government. We might as well have a Tsar ruling by diktat.


3 posted on 10/22/2020 6:32:41 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle (<BR><BR>)
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess then that we can say the same about muskets and the 2nd amendment that leftists are always whining about.


4 posted on 10/22/2020 6:35:07 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: SeekAndFind

The educated & sane mind has to be boggled by this communist garbage...

Anyone who supports such a view, as stated by the NYSlimes, is a cancer that needs radical treatments to be cured...


5 posted on 10/22/2020 6:35:32 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: SeekAndFind

Better to live by the original intent of our Constitution than to delegate its interpretation to whoever runs the Democratic party.


6 posted on 10/22/2020 6:36:15 PM PDT by Socon-Econ (adical Islam,)
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To: SeekAndFind

Do you really want your Rights decided (or cancelled) by the fashion of the moment?


7 posted on 10/22/2020 6:37:37 PM PDT by The Free Engineer
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To: 100American

RE: So you posted this for a reason and I ask yet again what it means to you instead of posting and running off

My response is and has always been the same for every single response similar to yours — to elicit refutation and discussion.

I’d like to read your refutation to this article -— I’LL WAIT.


8 posted on 10/22/2020 6:38:04 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“But rights in the 21st century should not be determined by the understandings and views of centuries ago. This would lead to terrible results.”

Category error - the Court is not a policy making body and ought not concern itself with results.


9 posted on 10/22/2020 6:45:49 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes! If you don’t like how it was written, Amend it!!! That’s how it works.


10 posted on 10/22/2020 6:51:06 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Sorry, your race card has been declined. Can you present any other form of argument?")
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To: SeekAndFind

Dear Erwin,

you should be disbarred, you filthy anti-Catholic scumbag.

Love,

ND76


11 posted on 10/22/2020 7:02:19 PM PDT by nd76
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, yes we do. Those rights are not anchored to the past and the mores of the time. They are anchored to eternal truths about the dignity of the human person and government’s role in protecting and preserving that dignity for the betterment of society. They are no earned. They are not the largesse of our rulers. They are not mutable, (well, not counting really bad SCOTUS decisions). They are not irrelevant. They will be defended.


12 posted on 10/22/2020 7:04:06 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It sounds like Erwin has a war on women going. Poor little boy.


13 posted on 10/22/2020 7:08:57 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (You can vote your way into socialism but you have to shoot your way out of it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Naw, screw social norms of the last several thousand years. Let’s base things on social norms of the last few months.

What could possibly go wrong?


14 posted on 10/22/2020 7:09:32 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“It sounds like Erwin has a war on women going. Poor little boy.”

Women who procreate, at least.


15 posted on 10/22/2020 7:12:40 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: SeekAndFind

“Following originalism would mean that Brown v. Board of Education was wrongly decided in declaring laws requiring segregation of schools unconstitutional.”

It would mean no such thing. Brown vs Board of Education found that segregation of schools did not offer equal protection. Separate but equal was a rational offered to show segregation did not violate the 14th amendment. That rational failed.

I should also mention the decision to segregate D.C. schools was not a matter of a state denying equal protection to its citizens and I am not sure whether D.C. not being a state would have been in violation of the 14th amendment when it segregated the schools.


16 posted on 10/22/2020 7:13:34 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Throughout American history, the Supreme Court has rejected originalism and protected countless rights that cannot possibly be justified under that theory. For example, the court has interpreted the word “liberty” in the Constitution to protect the right to marry, to procreate, to custody of one’s children, to keep the family together,..”

Yeah we get it. The Supreme Court has screwed up a lot. Maybe not in the decisions referenced above but certainly in others.


17 posted on 10/22/2020 7:15:07 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: The Free Engineer

Karl Marx’s texts are a century and a half old (centuries) and the Left thinks that is the true prophet. Seriously they use Marxism to explain science.


18 posted on 10/22/2020 7:20:22 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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To: SeekAndFind

Bill of rights guaranteeing this chick the right to opine in print - 1791 Centuries ago.

Let’s just MAKE the NYTimes shut the f*** up if that’s what they think.


19 posted on 10/22/2020 7:21:00 PM PDT by John Milner (Marching for Peace is like breathing for food.)
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To: SeekAndFind

YES! You’re damn right we do.

If we want to change that we can - its called the amending process. We can change the constitution any time we want. What it requires though is actually obtaining a political consensus. That means persuading your fellow citizens - not simply dictating by judicial fiat - aka the Leftist way - with an unelected black robed “super legislature” answerable to nobody.


20 posted on 10/22/2020 7:24:29 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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