Posted on 01/26/2021 6:18:12 AM PST by foreverfree
Loverro's comments on Schilling are near the end of the article, which is why I didn't auto excerpt or link the article. He referenced (and criticized) Schilling's tweets that it was Antifa that caused the Capitol ruckus.
Use a search engine to search "Thom Loverro"+"Curt Schilling".
I find Loverro's comments surprising given the WT's supposed conservative agenda.
BTW today is when Cooperstown announces the results of this year's writers vote. Schilling, Bonds, and Roger Clemens are in their penultimate years on the writers' ballot.
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https://baseballhall.org/discover/2021-hall-of-fame-bbwaa-ballot
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Cheating is apparently OK to get into the White House so why not the Hall.
I never understood the fixation with Schilling as a HOF pitcher. Some of his numbers are very good for the era in which he pitched, but there’s nothing exceptional about most of them other than their testament to his durability. His lifetime 3.46 ERA is a tough sell for me, considering he spent most of his time pitching in the National League.
I used to listen to Loverro om local sports radio. Always a bit of a loose cannon and not terribly bright.
Perhaps the HOF has higher standards?
Compared to the BLM activists dominating today’s game, the steroid-era stars look like gods. To me, this has always been a complete non-issue. Steroid-fueled hitters facing steroid-fueled pitchers - it all evens out. It was the nature of the game, during that time period.
Yes, and AFAIK PEDs don't help one iota if you can't find the strike zone, have a hole in the bat, or lack a good batter's eye.
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Their trophies should be etched with how much money they made the team owners.
I have zero problem with these guys juicing. Pretending it hasn’t been widely happening in every professional sport for decades is hilarious. It’s still an even playing field because they are all doing it.
I think a good analogy for Schilling in baseball is to Stabler (or even Swan) in football. Overall numbers aren’t great, but has some very iconic moments and there is no way the Diamondbacks or Red Sox would’ve won the World Series without him. He would’ve been a winner in Philly too except for WildThing. People still remember his clutch performances, I think he belongs.
If the WT is still a "conservative" paper (is it like NR now?), Loverro is definitely not one with the WT's party line.
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Good post. I’m thinking a more recent parallel in football would be Eli Manning. Inflated passing numbers for his era, a mediocre-to-good regular season QB for most of his career, but a likely Hall of Famer due to his two Super Bowl MVP awards.
Several WS appearances and wins,
a boatload of accolades - not Famous enough?
Politically motivated aversion, i get
Schilling would have been in years ago if he was a lib. Nobody who is a lib is controversial, only conservatives. They need to remove the press from voting because they are not objective.
It looks like Loverro is trying to be justifying voting no just on stats. We are well beyond stats on anything in this country. It is politics all the time.
As a side note, Schilling has extra points because of helping Boston end the curse.
I quit watching baseball a long time ago. Compare how they handled Schott versus Turner, the strike, wins and losses for pitchers don’t matter, $5.00 hot dogs, players changing teams every year. I just stopped. Haven’t watched on go to a game in ages.
I remember when Halo 3 came out, first day sales were greater than Yankee ticket sales for the whole year. I knew baseball was done. Now they are ruining computer games.
Arizona Diamondbacks (Chase Field):
Ticket: $19.65
Hot Dog: $4
Beer: $4
Total: $26.65
I would love for someone to tell me what Bonds did to receive this type of treatment. He was never convicted of illegal steroid use and the one thing he was found guilty of, obstruction of justice, was overturned in 2015. He is not guilty of anything except opinion.
Using George J. Mitchell’s 21-month investigation into the use of steroids in baseball, The report names 89 MLB players who are alleged to have used steroids, HGH or other performance-enhancing drugs and led to a February 2008 Congressional hearing on the matter, where several players testified under oath.
This means that Bonds can now be removed from factual use or lying under oath others are in. Noteable players that admitted to use or lying from the investigation are:
Roger Clemons, Ken Caminiti, Jason and Jeremy Giambi, Benito Santiago, Gary Sheffield, Jose Canseco, Wally Joyner, Rafael Palmeiro, John Rocker, Andy Pettitte, Alex Rodriguez, Mark McGwire, Manny Ramirez, Melky Cabrera, and Bartolo Colon. And these are just a few of the high profile players that are guilty of using PEDs. No telling how many more are in it.
So to blame Bonds on speculation and opinion is no better than a kangaroo court of media. So what does that make them? Simple, an over opinionated bunch of power mongers that don’t tell the truth. If that is the presiding group, don’t know if I want in the HOF anyway. The standards of the panel are controlled at too low an integrity.
Wy69
3 things that might argue for Schilling:
1. He was ‘money’ in the playoffs throughout his career.
2. We are entering the era of statistical analysis where the basic career stats are only the starting point.
3. Corollary to point #2... Going forward there will be few if any starting pitchers who will accumulate the Ws, Ks that reach the traditional benchmarks for HoF consideration. We are already in the new era and Schilling’s cohort are going to get in, I would argue.
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