Posted on 02/23/2021 9:04:42 AM PST by Kaslin
LOL, the money pit sounds like an interesting project, hopefully you made some money along the way.
I still deal with the occasional aluminum wired house but they were never that popular in New England for whatever reason. There’s a great sense of satisfaction ripping out knob and tubing, BX, aluminum, etc and cleaning up older homes and bringing them into the 21st Century.
See that’s the thing you don’t seem to recognize, we not in an emergency situation right now. What you want is for me to affirm your dysfunction rather than calmly address the subject of back-up power in a premeditated, reasonable manner instead of running around like a headless chicken once there is an emergency.
There’s a lot of that going around in the US these daze.
Think about it, most of us have power today but we know there’s the likelihood of losing it in the future, more frequently and for longer periods of time in the past for various reasons.
I’ve pointed out there’s nothing wrong with using portable generators with extensions cords running directly to appliances. No electrical code involved, no violations.
I’ve pointed out that once you attempt to connect any generator to premise wiring there’s a legal obligation to follow the NEC, beyond that there’s a moral and ethical obligation not to put innocent parties at risk of injury or death due to said illegal activity.
I’ve pointed out, as have others, that all you need is a listed generator interlock kit, a 2 pole breaker of appropriate size, an generator inlet installed by the panel. Total cost would be about $100 for parts but then you would need a fairly expensive cord run out to the generator and you would need to keep a door or window open for that. Another option, a better option imo, would be instead of the inlet being at the panel would be to install an exterior inlet, that would likely increase the material cost to at least $250 but you could keep all the door and windows closed, a good thing in inclement weather and keeping exhaust fumes out of the house.
You’re a big boy do what you think is best but be man enough to accept the consequences of your decisions.
I think as a practicing electrician I’ve made my point to others reading along, as a “EE” you have endorsed an unsafe practice, a shitshow over a safe and workman like installation - the NEC standard.
Buy American, hire a professional when required.
Yep. Safety first. FYI I did install this (see picture below)and 30 AMP breaker dedicated to the generator last night. I had them laying around so I went ahead and did it. I still need to get a female 30a plug to replace the male "suicide" plug as you call it for the 30a genset cable. So you did have a little effect.
There you go, now how about that interlock kit, lol.
Glad to hear life is back to normal for you, DeSoto. Yes, sadly, so many of us, me included, don’t know what we have until it’s gone.
Where the code says #14 is ok; I use #12.
The cost difference isn’t that much and I can’t accidently use 14 for a 12 circuit if I don’t have any around!
Aye; there's the rub!
The “where required” can either be when required by law or more importantly imo if one doesn’t honestly have the skill to DIY. You should see the stuff I see from DIY selfers let alone hack electricians.
Another thing about using skilled tradesmen, you’re employing a fellow American, you’re supporting Main Street USA not Wall Street.
Most tradesmen use American made tools and install American made products, so yeah they might be more expensive but you and they are not supporting China.
We get PLENTY of that exposed on these cable fix/flip programs that the wife watches.
House porn is what I call it!
'WE" can do this or that, can't WE dear?
Time to run!!!
Following silly rules are for stupid little people. I am an EE so I know what I am doing. There was nothing unsafe about how I powered MY house.
The problem is that you, an EE, are giving "stupid little people" (nice), who aren't an EE, enough info to get themselves or someone else in a dangerous situation.
Well said.
Thanks,
L
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