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America’s gun obsession is rooted in slavery
The Guardian ^ | 4 June 2021 | Carol Anderson

Posted on 06/07/2021 5:50:11 AM PDT by artichokegrower

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To: KC_Lion

This is the Guardian, fer Christsakes! They are Britain’s version of Pravda. So, let’s talk violent deaths in Britain, why don’t we? How about knife deaths? No? Bugger off, then.


21 posted on 06/07/2021 6:04:21 AM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: artichokegrower
As usual, The Guardian doesn't have clue what they are talking about.
What is the Guardian going to say about the super high murder rates in Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras etc who have far higher murder rates than the US?
22 posted on 06/07/2021 6:04:42 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: artichokegrower
African Americans are a dangerous threat that can only be neutralized or stopped by a well-armed white citizenry.

Well the black in Chicago seem to be well armed and are shooting other black in Chicago. Does that mean that blacks see each other as a dangerous threat?

23 posted on 06/07/2021 6:04:56 AM PDT by Pollard
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To: artichokegrower
" In Shays’ Rebellion, bands of armed white men, who were in the state’s militia, attacked the Massachusetts government because of foreclosures and debt seizures, demonstrating, again, how unreliable the militia were. Boston merchants had to hire mercenaries to put down the rebellion."

"...the militia had been steadfast was in controlling the enslaved Black population..."

Interesting thesis. Doesn't hold water because lack of comparative parity between a regular army and militia and "we'll regulated militia" is does not mean militia are worthless, nor does a well regulated militia hold zero military value. I'll bet the argument does not obtain because it jumps to the conclusion: "Militia wasn't effective in military value, therefore militia were to suppress black population."

This is a poor argument based on a number of assumptions and reading into history.

24 posted on 06/07/2021 6:05:57 AM PDT by Bayard
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To: rb22982

Purely stupid propaganda and sophistry.

If they wanted to even come close to a valid point, they could point to weapons and militia being a response to the very significant indian/native american threat. The first 150 years or so of ‘white’ presence in North America was pretty dicey because of that very real threat.

If the good folks at THE GUARDIAN wanted to know the real reason, they could examine why all the SMART FOLKS left their geographical area some 350 years ago.


25 posted on 06/07/2021 6:07:15 AM PDT by larrytown ( )
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To: KC_Lion

Maybe if Ms. Andersen got mugged in NYC just once, she would understand self protection with a fire arm.


26 posted on 06/07/2021 6:08:07 AM PDT by chopperk
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To: artichokegrower
"Bodies are piling up all over the second amendment," say the redcoats at The Guardian." They hate our Second Amendment.

27 posted on 06/07/2021 6:11:20 AM PDT by familyop
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To: pas

Well, it could also be sexism.

But regardless women and children (of color) hardest hit.


28 posted on 06/07/2021 6:11:26 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: rb22982; artichokegrower; KC_Lion; pas; mikelets456; ConservativeMind; pepsionice; DesertRhino; ...
The thing I find most disturbing about all of these things (related to the Reagan quote of "The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." ) is that in their hearts, many of them do believe this BS.

The thing is, not all of them do.

I believe the upper echelons of Leftists (the steely-eyed ones interested only in power and domination) understand perfectly that statements like "America's gun obsession is rooted in slavery" are pure, unadulterated pap. These people simply find these absurdities quite useful.

But they are a smaller segment of the Left.

The larger portion of the Left which is composed of both the spittle-lipped ANTIFA cannon-fodder types and the intellectually weak and lazy liberals who cast their votes for Leftists because they don't vote, they emote, actually do believe this idiocy.

And that is unnerving.

29 posted on 06/07/2021 6:11:55 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists are The Droplet of Sewage in a gallon of ultra-pure clean water.)
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To: rb22982

I often ask the same question.

Surely no one believes this.


30 posted on 06/07/2021 6:12:12 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: KC_Lion

Correct. Like most of our problems in this country, the Marxist Left is attacking our freedoms, this time by an evil, licentious perversion of the 2nd Amendment. Those abusing the 2nd Amendment are generally not from the right, but from the Commie Rat Left. A more precise aim would not be at the 2nd Amendment, but directly at the Commie Rats. It is they who are causing the problems . . . intentionally.


31 posted on 06/07/2021 6:13:18 AM PDT by RatRipper ( Democrats and socialists are vile liars, thdieves and murderers - enemies of good and America.)
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To: artichokegrower

Amazing that these people get paid to display their stupidity and they gladly accept it.


32 posted on 06/07/2021 6:13:29 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem by far: most of the news media is agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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To: artichokegrower

According to Critical Marxist Theory, the anti-2ndAmentment crowd are the Oppressors.


33 posted on 06/07/2021 6:15:51 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: artichokegrower
A black legend. Completely untrue. The second amendment, and several others are derived from the bill of rights the Whigs demanded of William of Orange as a condition of offering him the crown.

The founders didn't want the central government to have police powers. That meant denying them a standing army. The purpose of the second amendment was to make sure the central government could not claim the usual justification European monarchs claimed for needing a standing army.

It didn't work of course.


The 13 clauses limiting the power of the Crown:

The power of suspending and executing laws rests in the hands of Parliament. That the pretended power of suspending the laws or the execution of laws by regal authority without consent of Parliament is illegal.

The Crown does not have the legal authority to dispense or execute laws. That the pretended power of dispensing with laws or the execution of laws by regal authority, as it hath been assumed and exercised of late, is illegal.

The establishment of any institution of the Catholic Church is illegal. That the commission for erecting the late Court of Commissioners for Ecclesiastical Causes, and all other commissions and courts of like nature, are illegal and pernicious.

The imposition of any taxes by the Crown without the permission of Parliament is illegal. That levying of money for or to the use of the Crown by pretence of prerogative, without grant of Parliament, for longer time, or in other manner than the same is or shall be granted, is illegal.

The citizens have the right to petition the king without fear of repercussions. That it is the right of the subjects to petition the king, and all commitments and prosecutions for such petitioning are illegal.

A standing army at peacetime without the consent of Parliament is illegal. That the raising or keeping a standing army within the kingdom in time of peace, unless it be with consent of Parliament, is against law.

All Protestants have the right to bear arms for defence. These the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law.

Parliament should be freely elected. That election of members of Parliament ought to be free.

Members of Parliament have the freedom of speech and their proceedings should not be questioned in any place outside of Parliament. That the freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament.

Bail fees, excessive fines, and unusual punishments are illegal. That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

All trials now require the presence of jurors and all jurors for trials of high treason must be land owners. That jurors ought to be duly impanelled and returned, and jurors which pass upon men in trials for high treason ought to be freeholders.

It is illegal to fine or seize the property of any person who has not been convicted and all previous fines and seizures are void. That all grants and promises of fines and forfeitures of particular persons before conviction are illegal and void.

Parliament should be held frequently to uphold the laws. And that for redress of all grievances, and for the amending, strengthening and preserving of the laws, Parliaments ought to be held frequently.

34 posted on 06/07/2021 6:22:43 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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The militias were at least as bad during the War of 1812. It is no exaggeration to say that they lost every land battle against the British, except for the Battle of New Orleans. The problem was poor leadership. Typically, the commanders of the various companies and battalions of the militia were the local mayors of governors of the States, with no military training. Only at New Orleans did they have effective leadership in Colonel Andrew Jackson.

In contrast to the militias, the American Navy was able to win virtually every engagement with the British. The American Navy had professional leadership, and was battle hardened after the Barbary wars, whereas the British had a bunch of incompetent, ossified officers who had been promoted based on their peerage.


35 posted on 06/07/2021 6:24:14 AM PDT by pelican001
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To: artichokegrower

Most law abiding armed citizens are armed for the purpose of defending themselves against criminals. I’m pretty sure if a white criminal is shooting at someone, they’re not going to say “Oh well, he’s white so I’ll just let him shoot.” They’re going to shoot back. Nobody being shot at has EVER worried about the content of melanin in an assailant’s skin when deciding whether to defend himself. This whole article is just ridiculous.


36 posted on 06/07/2021 6:24:47 AM PDT by stremba
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To: artichokegrower

Actually, I tend to agree with this statement. But I would add “class” slavery. America offered freedom and opportunity for lower class, bottom of the class structure, people.


37 posted on 06/07/2021 6:24:51 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: artichokegrower
The Guradian is "Nucking Futs" when it comes to American history.
If it was up to them, America would still be importing slaves, and paying a 'tea tax' to a tyrannical imposed government.
It was firearms that freed the slaves, and the Republicans were the ones who advocated the oppressed to be armed and able to defend themselves,
and prevent further tyrannical oppression.
Speaking of oppression : take back Meagan and Harry, the poor souls who are never happy wherever they live ! Dolts and Wankers !
38 posted on 06/07/2021 6:25:39 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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Dear Guardian. Blacks are allow to own guns in the US as well as whites.


39 posted on 06/07/2021 6:27:33 AM PDT by Captain Compassion (I'm just sayin')
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To: pelican001

I’d suggest that the same issues carried on into the Civil War as well. Regiments then were incorporated into the regular army, but they still had most of the characteristics of the old militia regiments. Recruiting was done locally. Most regiments contained men all from the same town. Many were organized and led by local elites (mayors, wealthy businessmen, etc.). Junior officers often were elected by the men, typically with the most popular winning election rather than the most competent leaders. Debacles like 1st Bull Run early in the war often were the result.


40 posted on 06/07/2021 6:30:04 AM PDT by stremba
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