"That'll be the day!"
Posted on 06/22/2021 2:09:34 PM PDT by dynachrome
It just happened to me. I ordered a Vollrath stainless steel kitchen tongs and they sent me the inferior Winco tongs I took a picture and asked them to send me the right product. They said sorry, we can’t get those right now and refunded my money an told me to keep the other pair.
of course not. But what is wrong with donating the unbought stuff to charity?
Better yet, why aren’t they donating them to charities, schools, and other places that can use them, and Amazon gets a write-off?
I volunteer at a church thrift store. Last year at the height of covid (while we were closed but still receiving donations) we were receiving scads of brand new items (clothing, household goods, etc). Couldnt figure out where most of it was coming from until I was talking to a neighbor of mine. She has a child that works in some Amazon related capacity. They were told to not return items to Amazon but to donate them to local thrift stores. So, at least in my area it appears that they may have donated items and not just thrown them out.
We got some really great stuff.
I was cleaning out our lab and noticed dudes checking out our dumpster. There was one Mexican guy who always came to the reception desk to ask if it was ok to take stuff. I gave him a 5 pound copper bus bar for his politeness.
When we had to get rid of over a ton of lead (considered hazmat) I went to a bullet casting forum and found a local guy. Cold called him and he was waiting at the front door next morning.
Untrained monkeys would pack things better
Some tubes are worth a couple of bucks if still working.
Well at least something beneficial is coming out of this.
We use Amazon often. I believe there have been about ten times this has happened to us. Some were small inexpensive things, and some much more.
My sister ordered a new laptop with Windows 7 on it, but was sent one with Windows 10. They said not to return it and they’d send the right one — which they did. She gave the Win 10 to her daughter.
“I’ve never heard of getting a refund and keeping the goods.”
This same thing happened to me on more than 1 occasion.
"That'll be the day!"
Oh, God no. Can you imagine their filthy mind set? I can imagine this being pitched to them:
“What? Really? Give them to a charity to sell those things at a lower price instead of destroying them? Pfft. Every item we would allow a charity to sell would be a Yuan in their hands instead of ours. Absolutely not.”
I must tell you, I was nonplussed in the extreme when I hung up that phone.
I had never had THAT happen to me. I was DEEPLY suspicious. But as I thought it through, I guessed it had to be something along those lines.
“Never had a problem with an Amazon delivery.”
I’ve gotten someone else’s order once or twice, and had boxes “disappear” after they arrived at the local Post Office. But it was all handled professionally and speedily by Amazon.
I went to a website at random called ONLINE SHIPPING CALCULATOR to compare the cost of shipping a 1 lb. package from Washington DC to Beijing, and then compared to shipping the same 1 lb package in the reverse, from Beijing to Washington DC:
What I presume is behind this is called Universal Postal Union.
I knew nothing about this, then stumbled across it by accident some years ago. It has the word "union" in it, which is repulsive enough in most industrial contexts, but otherwise sounds innocuous.
It is NOT innocuous, and the Communists in China have been milking this for all it is worth and more.
The Universal Postal Service was brought into being by The Treaty of Bern in 1874 with the ostensible and laudable goal of making sure that mail could be sent between countries around the world without worrying about mail being returned to to insufficient postage because the cost of delivering mail in the receiving country might be far above that in the sending country.
From the Wikipedia entry on the Universal Postal Union:
The treaty provided that:
One important result of the Treaty was that it was no longer necessary to affix postage stamps of countries that a mailpiece passed through in transit. The UPU provides that stamps from member nations are accepted along the entire international route.
This all sounds absolutely great. Then, in 1948, the Universal Postal Union became a "specialized agency" of the United Nations when it was founded. And like every damned thing the UN has touched, the International Grifters known as the UN, Leftists all, decided in 1969 to implement "Terminal Dues" which took into account the tonnage/volume shipping between countries and...to "equalize" things and "help" developing nations, they instituted a standard progressive system of Terminal Dues, and assigned countries a value that indicated their degree of advancement. United States would be a Tier I country, and back then, a country like Communist China would be a Tier III. This meant that in addition to a simple disparity in volume of mail shipped to determine the "Terminal Dues" paid, there was also a Marxist element that required Tier I countries to pay MORE per volume/tonnage disparity. Before 1969, it was a straight up "Terminal Due" based on simple measurement of disparity in volume or tonnage.
After 1969, If you were a Tier III like Communist China, you paid X $ "Terminal Dues" for each unit of measurement. However, if you were a Tier I like the United States, you paid X $ times whatever the tier multiplied your "Terminal Dues" by, just to "equalize" things between wealthier and less wealthy nations.
I had to poke around to find this, but this document defines the tier system that determines who is the taxpayer (such as the USA) and who is the grifter who takes advantages of the subsidies provided to them by the Universal Postal Union: LINK TO UPU DOCUMENT: Classification of countries and territories for terminal dues and Quality of Service Fund (QSF) purposes for the 2018–2021 period
How Marxist of them.
And lest the lesson be lost in this current push to implement a international corporate tax to be paid to the UN, you can look to history to see just how these International Grifters handle these types of things with no elected representation: In 1974 they tripled this "Terminal Dues", and in 1979, tripled it again. Then in 1984, increased it again by 40%. This is how THEY do taxes.
But back to the subject at hand. For the Communists making cheap, crappy goods, there is such an imbalance of shipping costs that it is wholly impractical for consumers to ship many defective goods back to the manufacturer in Communist China. The cost of return shipping often outstrips the cost of manufacture and distribution paid by the consumer, so most people don't bother.
Think about that. How much money do many Communist Chinese manufacturers save on their Customer Service departments? Think of what happens when you ship a item back. Someone has to receive it. Someone has to move, label, inventory, and store it. In better companies, they might do analysis on it. And then there is the supply of a new, hopefully better working product that must be manufactured, packaged and shipped back to the consumer.
The logistical tail is huge. Think of how many Communist Chinese companies simply dispense with this. That is a significant cost. Significant. Anyone who has dealt with Chinese customer service knows it is extremely spotty. More expensive items do better, cheaper items have crappy or wholly non-existent customer service. In many cases, you cannot even contact them.
When President Trump took office, surely someone who understands business better than 99.999% of the people governing us, and better than 100% of the people who populate the UN, he was likely fully aware that we as taxpayers pay a subsidy to China (via the Universal Postal Union at the UN) to give them a significant and unfair competitive advantage, and announced he was going to withdraw the US from the Universal Postal Union. That completely threw them into an uproar "How dare he protect the interests of his own citizens!" This article from the Heritage Foundation describes it a bit: The Heritage Foundation: A U.S. Victory at the Universal Postal Union
Granted, it wasn't a complete victory to me. That would have been an elevation of China to Tier I, a simple withdrawal. The Communists still get their ill-gotten subsidy from the UPU, and we pay a little less, but we still pay.
Personally, I look to President Trump's approach to this subject of UPU Terminal Dues in the "Trade War" as evidence he was really in this fight for his country, and why so many of us admire him so much and are outraged by this fraudulent election.
Great analysis and post. Thanks for doing that. I did know how tilted the shipping playing field is.
The other thing is the huge disparity in shipping volumes. From China to the US, they are shipping tens or maybe hundreds of thousands of units. Shipping containers get filled with cartons. Bulk shipping is cheap.
Shipping faulty or excess inventory product back to the manufacturer would be small or odd lots and subject to much higher transportation costs.
Absolutely, I believe that would be true.
There are a lot of things one can say about the Chinese Communists, but two things you cannot say are that they are stupid, or that they have a moral compass.
A local salvage store buys pallets of Amazon returns and is chocked full of all kinds of great deals.
I never knew there were Japanese soy sauce micro-breweries until I bought a $24 bottle for $3.
Wow — thanks for the research, both depth and breadth!
I am bookmarking your post!
Most welcome. For me, it was another piece of the puzzle that showed Trump really was on our side and one of us, and not just in it for the personal gain...
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