Posted on 06/28/2021 7:11:53 AM PDT by Rummyfan
Observed from some angles, the United States is falling apart. All over, we’re seeing signs of fragmentation.
At the smallest scale, the tony community of Buckhead, Ga., may be seceding from Atlanta. Mayor Keisha Bottoms’ anti-anti-crime strategy has led to a predictable criminal surge. Buckhead wants escape from dysfunction — via self-rule.
The same thing is happening within states. Last month, several communities in eastern Oregon voted to secede and join Idaho. The region’s farmers don’t want to be ruled from their state’s weed- and Antifa-plagued coastal regions.
Parts of New Mexico want to join Texas. A huge swath of downstate Illinois talks of splitting from Chicagoland. Some upstate New Yorkers have been talking for years of splitting away from Gotham. Then there are various plans for splitting California into two, three or even six new states. All are gaining attention.
These plans would be hard to pull off. Splitting a state requires consent from both its own legislature and Congress, and unless Congress is ruled by a one-sided majority, it will be hard to get anything through that changes the balance in the Senate. (It has really only happened once, when West Virginia split from Virginia during the Civil War.) But the growing interest in this sort of separation does signal something.
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In the end...it will take men willing to man a check point or go on patrol.
Democrat marxists will never give up power willingly.
When baloney is allowed to prosper unchecked the nation is, most assuredly, doomed. Until Polibical Correctness “PC” dies, we are on the downhill slide to destruction. And it is an ever more steep slide. I figure it’s too late, which is why, ten years ago, I moved to where I now live.
It’s pretty obvious where this is already headed. History repeats, but never identically. i.e. we are watching the “fall of Rome, the remake”.
Watch and learn.
Nine Nations of North American predicted this over 40 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Nations_of_North_America
In 1981 it seemed unreal.
Not any more
I think local self-rule and general Red State defiance of Federal tyranny, backed up by militias if necessary, are the only way to preserve liberty for those who want and are willing to fight for it. But I think saving the Republic as it used to exist is impossible, or at least nearly so.
Only Prayer and Repentance can save us now.
I’m strangely comfortable with that configuration. I’ve drawn very similar maps for post-apocalyptic America role playing campaigns in the past, so I don’t see it as far fetched. The south and the breadbasket would be incredibly prosperous and relying heavily on each other while the area they call the Foundry and the northeast would be dysfunctional political tyrannies.
Chickensoup wrote:
“Nine Nations of North American predicted this over 40 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Nations_of_North_America
In 1981 it seemed unreal.
Not any more”
I think Texas and New Mexico might have something to say about that; from the OP-posted article:
“Parts of New Mexico want to join Texas.”
Dunno.
Judging from the people elected to Congress or as mayors, a lot of people are as crazy at the local level as they are at the city and state level.
In late Rome the poorest weren’t the most likely to be obese. In ‘late Roman America’ they are. Our modern version of bread and circuses puts the roman version to shame.
Freegards
We ostensibly have a federal system. In reality the government's power, size and influence has grown to a point that it directly controls and regulates nearly every aspect of our lives. It has become overbearing. That is not federalism at all.
...the states have thei own credit ratings, their own bureaucracy, their own police and quasi-military forces, their own reservoirs of legitimacy. We’re already seeing that.
Just think...the taxpayers in the states have the "privilege" of paying for massive bureaucracies at both the state and federal levels. And many of these bureaucracies are redundant and overlapping. This is a burden that we can no longer afford to support.
I think just about every state has distinct regions, which feel neglected, ignored, overriden, by the powers that be in their state capitals and by the major cities in their states.
So politically speaking, we could envision many new states being created, if the people in those areas were able to break away and form new states.
And as noted, it even gets to the local level, where a neighborhood of Atlanta wants to secede from Atlanta.
Suppose we had over 100 states instead of 50 states, if various mostly rural regions of states formed new states. Wouldn’t those areas be better off, as they form governments closer to the people, and more responsive to their citizenry?
But I think saving the Republic as it used to exist is impossible, or at least nearly so.
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The profound changes in demographics, culture, morality and ethics in this country in recent decades suggest you are right. Many of these changes are irreversible.
The money quote “A government distrusted by more than 80 percent of its population has a legitimacy problem.”
Ours is the Twinkies and Netflix version with some FaceBook texting in between commercials.
Wouldn’t those areas be better off, as they form governments closer to the people, and more responsive to their citizenry?
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I think that was the general idea the Founders had. They feared the effects of centralized power and wanted to limit the functions and scope of the federal government to only those which were necessary and proper at that level.
Washington has relentlessly grown to a point where it now controls and regulates nearly every aspect of our lives. Its massive expansion is also making it unsustainably large and unaffordable. We must put the genie back into the bottle.
But I think saving the Republic as it used to exist is impossible, or at least nearly so.
The country is beyond saving. If you know a “moderate” Democrat, Center Left independent, LeftLeaning Libertarian, at the end of the day, no matter how much they tell you they don’t have a problem with guns, trucks, fireplaces, capitalism, etc etc, they are going to vote for the Democrat. Who, in turn, is against anything and everything considered aligned with the Right.
This didn’t just happen because of the Left because it got a lot of help from the GOPe, Boehner, Ryan, McConnell, et al. And continue to do so.
Personally, secession is the way to go. Enough with CW2 and more states. Just have the Red States, which make up the Southeast, Midwest and Mountain say, ENOUGH.
Biggest issue is, even in the “Blue State”, there are still very large blocs that are as Conservative as anywhere else in the country. So, it isn’t as easy as say, Illinois, being cut loose. Most of Illinois, except for Chicago and a few other areas, is as Red as it can be. Washington, Oregon, California and NY are the same way.
If those maps that show up after each elections with the Red and Blue areas are even remotely correct, the Left will be left with not a lot. The Left likes to say that without them, the Red states would whither and die. Curious to know how that would happen as the Red states have all the oil and food.
A Russian economist came up with a similar map. Biggest issue I see with this map and the one the Russian came up with is that the Blue states aren’t really that Blue. Yes, the cities give the Dem’s the upper hand, but in any break up or secession movement, states like Washington and Oregon may find themselves drastically different at the end of the day, as about 2/3 or each state decides to team up with those in the middle.
America’s biggest problem is fake, printed, fiat money and its massive debt supporting the progressive/fascist deep-state and its 1000 social engineering schemes
Return to hard money out of the control of politicians, and America returns to real Federalism immediately.
Toward the end of Western Rome, it was the Romanized Barbarians that were trying to keep the lid on things. The Romans no longer cared enough to try.
Rome did not so much as fall as be replaced by germanic peoples who wanted to be Roman, but did not know how.
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