[ClearCase_guy]

Yeah. The whole issue for me on Jan 6 is that no one really knew just how “ceremonial” the vice president role was. Did he have power? Did he not? Could he throw it to the states and ask them to re-confirm? No one knew what the rules really were because they had not been tested and the Constitution was not necessarily clear.

Pence could have seized that opportunity and played “Let’s find out”.

But he didn’t. He pushed Trump out of the office, and welcomed Biden into the office.

A patriot would have taken every possible chance to prevent that. Pence had a card to play, and he chose not to.

[qaz123]

Great point.

And any pushback from the media could have easily been handled. President Trump would have crushed the media.

[StAnDeliver]

Who was properly responsible for the clarion call to investigate the 2020 election fraud? President Donald J. Trump:

• The authority, and the responsibility for rejecting elector slates, and demanding state legislatures send new elector slates consistent with investigations into electoral fraud, resided solely with President Trump.

• There is no Constitutional mechanism to permit the Vice-President to make such a claim. That power -- if it indeed exists -- lies solely with the Office of the President. Any such attempt by the VP would be duly and properly ignored.

• As President Lincoln once promised, leaning into Congressman James Alley, "I am the President of the United States, clothed with immense power, and I expect you to procure those votes." What Lincoln didn't say, was: "Vice-President Johnson is clothed with immense power, and I expect him to procure those votes."

• In April 2020, President Trump threatened to dismiss Congress over blocking him from recess appointments. President Trump believed he had that power -- the exact same power he would have used to remand the presented elector's slates back to each state's legislature -- and Trump believed that power was invested in him alone. President Trump didn't call VP Pence and say, "Hey Mike, you tell them you're shutting down Congress because I can't get my recess appointments."

[ready2brd]

On the contrary, anyone that isn’t a hopeful idiot knew that his role on Jan 6 was purely ceremonial.

Somehow, most of them still seem to not understand that. I guess that goes back to being idiots.