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California Is Set To Outlaw Unannounced Condom Removal
Reason ^ | September 9, 2021 | Elizabeth Nolan Brown

Posted on 09/10/2021 7:09:18 AM PDT by karpov

California is set to outlaw unannounced condom removal. A bill that passed the California legislature earlier this week and now awaits Gov. Gavin Newsom's signature would be the first in the country to make such "stealthing" a cause for legal action.

But the measure (Assembly Bill 453) will not work through the state's criminal code. Rather, removing a condom without a sexual partner's verbal consent will become grounds for a civil lawsuit and punitive damages, with the act added to the state's civil definition of sexual battery.

Under A.B. 453, "a person commits a sexual battery who causes contact between a sexual organ, from which a condom has been removed, and the intimate part of another who did not verbally consent to the condom being removed."

In effect, it creates an affirmative consent rule for condom removal.

Supporters of the legislation say that consenting to safe sex doesn't mean consenting to sex without a condom. Thus, furtively removing a condom before or during sexual activity amounts to rape.

Yet determining who is telling the truth in such cases will be incredibly tricky. If nothing else, this seems like a very difficult claim to prove in court. ("How the fuck is this enforceable?" comments Nancy Rommelmann on Twitter. "It's not.")

Even folks who agree with the theory behind the law note that proving an offense may be impossible.

And what if someone never puts on a condom in the first place but their partner mistakenly thinks they did—could that partner still sue? Will the law punish people who inadvertently lose a condom during sex? Won't people sued under the law simply claim this is what happened?

(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab453; california; condoms; newsom
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I thought liberals believe government should stay out of the bedroom.
1 posted on 09/10/2021 7:09:18 AM PDT by karpov
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Why would this even matter to California where knowingly exposing a partner to HIV is no longer a criminal act?


2 posted on 09/10/2021 7:10:56 AM PDT by newzjunkey (“We Did It Joe!” - The Taliban /s)
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To: karpov

We are heading toward —

“I see you did something. You can go to prison for that, you know ...”

It’s Dr Floyd Ferris from “Atlas Shrugged”. This is how you rule over people.


3 posted on 09/10/2021 7:11:35 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (China is like the Third Reich. We are Mussolini's Italy. A weaker, Jr partner, good at losing wars.)
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To: karpov

Good old Cartelfornia with the serious subject matter while America is nearly burning with rage.


4 posted on 09/10/2021 7:11:46 AM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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Just when you think you’ve heard it all, in the middle of a pandemic, homelessness rapidly increasing, crime skyrocketing, lack of affordable housing, etc...all the California legislature comes up with a law about condom removal...you can’t make it up...


5 posted on 09/10/2021 7:13:12 AM PDT by srmanuel (`)
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Oh Great. Another dose of California legislative stupidity on parade. And you wonder why the state is in the toilet?


6 posted on 09/10/2021 7:14:56 AM PDT by Texas Hostage in a Blue State
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but not telling play partners you have AIDS, well that’s OK...


7 posted on 09/10/2021 7:16:08 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. P144:1)
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To: ClearCase_guy

See nothing say something. 😐


8 posted on 09/10/2021 7:17:04 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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Unannounced Condom removal. I think this is sort of ok still in LALA land as long as the condoms don’t exceed $900 or so in value.


9 posted on 09/10/2021 7:18:31 AM PDT by xp38
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Only in Kalifornica.


10 posted on 09/10/2021 7:21:50 AM PDT by bgill (.Which came first, the vax or the virus?)
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In other news, telling someone you will still respect them in the morning is now a class 3 misdemeanor.


11 posted on 09/10/2021 7:21:54 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Texas Hostage in a Blue State

Next century history books will be so embarrassing.


12 posted on 09/10/2021 7:23:57 AM PDT by bgill (.Which came first, the vax or the virus?)
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yet, women lying about being on the pill, would still be legal.


13 posted on 09/10/2021 7:24:44 AM PDT by vikingd00d (chown -R us ~you/base)
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All California condoms will be required to have motion sensors and an audible signal of at least 90 dB like a truck’s backup alarm to alert the recipient of the condom’s usage.


14 posted on 09/10/2021 7:26:35 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Anti-fascist" is from the official name of the Berlin Wall: Anti-fascist Protection Barrier.)
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Their mantra “my body my choice” went out the window with covid vaccines. Except where they can murder the unborn. Felony prosecution for deliberately lying about HIV status to a sexual partner was deemed poz-phobic so that was ended in California in 2018. Joe and his allies were looking at ending such laws federally in the perverse guise of furthering lgbtq interests which it most certainly does not.

Even well controlled hiv is a lifelong health burden.

15 posted on 09/10/2021 7:26:52 AM PDT by newzjunkey (“We Did It Joe!” - The Taliban /s)
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Could be a sticky situation…


16 posted on 09/10/2021 7:30:18 AM PDT by Skybird
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Events as reflected in next century history books will be unrecognizable to people of this era if political narratives take the place of facts and conservatives don’t take education seriously. There’s little evidence conservatives are getting involved in education as teachers, administrators and school board members.


17 posted on 09/10/2021 7:30:22 AM PDT by newzjunkey (“We Did It Joe!” - The Taliban /s)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Add a required hazardous waste removal bag too.


18 posted on 09/10/2021 7:31:00 AM PDT by cnsmom
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All the problems in California and THIS is what they come up with?

Are there any politicians ON EARTH more useless than California politicians?

19 posted on 09/10/2021 7:31:43 AM PDT by Pajamajan ( PRAY FOR OUR NATION. I will never b.e a peaceful slave in a new SociaAnd list America.)
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“Unannounced Condom removal” — my first thought was crooks cleaning out the CVS condom section.


20 posted on 09/10/2021 7:32:28 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("If I’m going to get my political views from those who chase balls, I’ll ask my dog.")
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