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Swedish Jets Really Did Destroy the Chinese Air Force in an Exercise
https://nationalinterest.org ^ | October 29, 2021 | by David Axe Follow @daxe on TwitterL

Posted on 11/03/2021 2:16:55 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19

ere's What You Need to Remember: On day three, the Thai pilots “shot down” 19 J-11s for a loss of three Gripens. Over the final three days of the war game, the Thais killed 22 Chinese jets and lost three of their own.

A 2015 war game in Thailand underscored the enduring flaws in Chinese aerial-warfare tactics. Despite flying a modern fighter type, Chinese fighter pilots in Thailand were vulnerable to long-range attacks and slow to react to aggressive tactics.

Exercise Falcon Strike 2015, which ran at Korat Royal Thai Air Force Base for two weeks in mid-November 2015, was the first-ever joint exercise between the Chinese and Thai air forces.

The Chinese brought J-11 fighters to the war game. The Thai air force operates F-16s from Korat, but the for the war game the Thai air arm sent Gripen fighters from Surat Thani Air Force Base.

The Thai air force operates 12 JAS-39C/D Gripens.

For seven days straight the J-11s tangled with the Gripens. The J-11, which is a Chinese variant of the Russian Su-27, proved to be the superior dogfighter, a Chinese participant in the exercise explained in a presentation at China’s Northwestern Polytechnical University on Dec. 9, 2019. But in Thai hands the Gripen was a better long-range shooter.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalinterest.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ccp; practice; taiwan
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1 posted on 11/03/2021 2:16:55 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19
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To: RomanSoldier19

bkmk


2 posted on 11/03/2021 2:17:59 AM PDT by sauropod
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To: RomanSoldier19

One must consider that these war games underestimated the Chinese.


3 posted on 11/03/2021 2:21:54 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being played by forces most do not understand)
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To: RomanSoldier19

It’s not 2015 anymore and the Chicoms have probably upped their training and tactics since then.


4 posted on 11/03/2021 2:26:32 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (I went to bed on November 3rd 2020 and woke up in 1984.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

China has no allies. They would lose to the world if the US sat it out. Who do they think they are? Mars? Hat tip to the GOAT Norm McDonald.


5 posted on 11/03/2021 2:30:20 AM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Cornpop was a good dude.)
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To: HYPOCRACY
China has no allies. They would lose to the world if the US sat it out.

I keep thinking about the same thing. China is so belligerent to virtually everyone in their neighborhood, and getting more so by the day, that if they ever started a war they would be surrounded by enemies, and that’s before the U.S. showed up. Maybe they believe Russia would come to their aid, but I have a tough time believing Putin would get involved. Aside from its nuclear forces, Russia doesn’t have much of a military anymore, and I don’t think they really want to help the CCP, who may turn on them as well if given the opportunity.

6 posted on 11/03/2021 2:40:37 AM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: noiseman

It’s posturing by Xi. He’s in a very bad situation and trying to retain power against very tough party opposition. He’s flailing about trying to create external distractions. He’s a monster and the worst thing that ever happened to China since Mao (his hero).

I don’t think it’s working. China is bankrupt. To think the Yuan will be the new reserve currency is mad. The US currency is crap too, but it’s the best the world has right now.

Evergrande is the tip of the spear.


7 posted on 11/03/2021 2:50:11 AM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Cornpop was a good dude.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Look for ABBA to be banned in China soon.


8 posted on 11/03/2021 3:19:44 AM PDT by xp38
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To: HYPOCRACY

You make a number of excellent points.


9 posted on 11/03/2021 3:20:21 AM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: noiseman

Thanks. Living in China’s shadow has given me a margin of insight.

I think the Chinese people are growing tired of his antics when they have massive flooding, massive food shortages, massive debt and a shrinking economy. No matter what you read.

They don’t want war. They want their bellies full.


10 posted on 11/03/2021 3:28:45 AM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Cornpop was a good dude.)
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To: noiseman

When and if China ends our power in the Far East they will turn on the Russians and there will be a nuclear exchange between the two thug nations.


11 posted on 11/03/2021 3:30:15 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: HYPOCRACY

Since when when does a Communist government respect the wishes of the masses?


12 posted on 11/03/2021 3:30:45 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: noiseman

I think what most people overlook is what happens when conventional military equipment and tactics are totally upended and some nation brings a really new warfighting concept to battle....

On December 7, 1941 the Japanese totally changed the nature of Naval Warfare...

The Germans totally changed the nature of warfare by introducing the concept of the blitzkrieg and totally overwhelmed the British, French and to a large degree the Russians.....

We know both Germany and Japan ended up losing but not without delivering real loses beforehand...

What if China did something similar...

Suppose China unleashed another pandemic tailored to specific races and nationalities....

While simultaneously taking out the satellite capabilities of the USA and it’s allies....

Then unleash either a cyber attack that took down the infrastructure of a target nation..

If not a cyber attack why not a EMP attack that destroyed digital infrastructure of a nation.....


13 posted on 11/03/2021 3:30:50 AM PDT by srmanuel (`)
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To: RomanSoldier19; Fred Nerks
The Swedish SAAB Viggen and Gripen...........Every NATO nation should have a hundred of them........STOL, will fly in Arctic sub zero temps, dispersed single air fields using highways for take offs and landings......decentralized deployment.......a modern jet version of the British Spitfire.....the Red Chinese do not have much of a chance.

If the Red chinese face Sweden , they would be forced to use nukes, but still would not eliminate Sweden's air net.

Link:

MILITARY FACTORY ARTICLE ON SAAB GRIPEN

14 posted on 11/03/2021 3:32:07 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: central_va

Since when does the US?

The point is that Xi has serious opposition in his party. There are a lot of powerful commies that want him out.

The commies want to retain power. Xi is compromising that in his quest for personal power over the party.

If you look at China’s history, they have an incredible record of violent overthrow that would make most nations blush.


15 posted on 11/03/2021 3:40:07 AM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Cornpop was a good dude.)
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To: sarge83
When and if China ends our power in the Far East they will turn on the Russians and there will be a nuclear exchange between the two thug nations.

I think China believes, probably correctly, that all they have to do is wait out Russia’s shrinking population for a while, and then when the time is right just start pushing here and there on the border, as they often do with India. They’ll just use their vast numbers to probe and prod at first, and then eventually invade a weakened Russia. At that point, Russia could be so weak that they just acquiesce to a gradual, non-violent colonization of some of their territory, rather than risk war with a huge adversarial army.

16 posted on 11/03/2021 3:43:06 AM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: sarge83
nuclear exchange between the two thug nations.

That is the one thing I know will NEVER happen. Never Ever.

17 posted on 11/03/2021 3:47:33 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: noiseman

That is happening now and you are correct. China has been passively occupying parts of Russia bordering them with Han Chinese. Russia knows this.

No idea how they will deal with it.


18 posted on 11/03/2021 3:48:16 AM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Cornpop was a good dude.)
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To: RomanSoldier19; Fred Nerks

Working Link to Millitary Factory Article on Gripen:

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.php?aircraft_id=67


19 posted on 11/03/2021 3:50:53 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Erik Latranyi
Yes,we underestimate them at our peril. The coming invasion of Taiwan will tell the world what we need to know about the Butchers of Beijing.
20 posted on 11/03/2021 4:03:15 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Balloting)
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