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Part Two: Consequences of America Losing a War to China
Townhall.com ^ | November 3, 2021 | Austin Bay

Posted on 11/03/2021 5:16:34 AM PDT by Kaslin

In July Japan's Vice Defense Minister Yasuhide Nakayama told the Hudson Institute that China and Russia could launch a surprise "Pearl Harbor-style attack" in the Pacific. The Washington Examiner and Reuters quoted Nakayama as insisting the U.S. and Japan must demonstrate the will to deter both China and Russia because "they are doing their (military) exercises together." They conduct exercises from "Honolulu to Japan," which means America's "protection line is going ... backwards ..."

Nakayama said China would likely target Taiwan. But that threatens Okinawa (a Japanese island with U.S. bases). Mid-Pacific exercises demonstrate targeting Hawaii and the West Coast, so he couldn't rule out an attack on Hawaii reprising 1941 but employing 21st-century weaponry. In 1941 Japan also attacked the Philippines and Southeast Asia -- a multi-pronged strategic offensive.

Nakayama called Chinese President Xi Jinping's regime "aggressive ... (in) thought and will ... So wake up. We have to wake up."

I agree. In last week's column I argued it's "foolish to believe an intense war involving China and the U.S. would be confined to the Taiwan Straits and end with Taiwan's loss." Chinese anti-ship and land-attack missiles can reach the eastern Pacific. In a recent Pentagon war game, Chinese missiles hit regional U.S. bases -- meaning they hit Japan, South Korea and Guam and perhaps Australia, Singapore and Hawaii.

China has territorial goals. China wants to move through the "first island chain" (southern Japan to Borneo). That means seizing Taiwan. China also targets the "second island chain" from the east coast of Honshu (Tokyo's location) through Guam to New Guinea.

Note: Guam is sovereign U.S. territory. Like California and Vermont.

Communist China is conducting "military preparation of the battlefield" operations on four fronts, three in the Pacific. No. 1: In the Himalayas confronting India, Chinese road crews inch forward -- supply routes for a subcontinent war. No. 2: China's artificial islands in the South China Sea (west Pacific) step toward Singapore, the Straits of Malacca and the Indian Ocean. No. 3: Chinese forces routinely probe neighboring air and sea spaces. The most provocative probe Taiwan and Japan. No. 4: Chinese diplomats seek bases worldwide but especially Pacific bases. In 2019 Kiribati cut diplomatic ties with Taiwan. Now China intends to upgrade Kiribati's airfields -- 1,800 miles from Hawaii.

What's the time frame for triggering this war? In 1992/93, the late director of the Secretary of Defense's Office of Net Assessments, Andrew Marshall, gave his consultants a long-term thought experiment: How could the U.S. fight and win a war for national survival against China circa 2020 or 2025?

Yes, chillingly prescient. What keeps a Taiwan or western Pacific war with China from escalating to a war for national survival?

Nothing -- which is why China must either be deterred or stopped cold if it attacks Taiwan.

Three factors suggest China might strike in 2023 or election year 2024. No. 1: The Biden administration is incompetent. Its Afghanistan debacle created serious concerns about U.S. reliability. No. 2: Division erodes American public will to resist. A hot-button example: morale-sapping faculty club nostrums like "critical race theory" (recast Marxist tribalism) being imposed on the military.

Will matters. Prussian strategic theorist Carl von Clausewitz called war a clash of wills.

No. 3: The U.S. has no immediate counter for China's Anti-Access/Area Denial strategy that threatens U.S. carrier battle groups with destruction as they move to the western Pacific. The U.S. Navy can't risk losing carriers.

If China quickly wins the big Taiwan battle and breaks out, what could be lost? Here's a list of terrible consequences to mull. Okinawa -- Japanese territory lost to China. Beijing neutralizes Singapore, gaining control of the primary route to the Indian Ocean. South Korea, Japan and Australia are isolated.

If China says it will nuke California unless the U.S. gives up Guam, what do characters like President Joe Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken say? Is Beijing making an offer political hacks can't refuse?

We can deter China -- if we don't project weakness. The Navy's 2021 fleet battle problem and the Army's long-range fires concept are examples of creative military operational concepts that can defeat China. What we could use are several score small, cheap ships armed with weapons to suppress Chinese shore-based firepower so the carriers can deliver a coup de grace.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; foreignaffairs

1 posted on 11/03/2021 5:16:34 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Also keep in mind that Russia would likely rebuild their Warsaw Pact and become the USSR in such a scenario. Iran would dominate the Middle East. North Korea would become “Korea” with the DPRK dominating the entire peninsula. And Latin America would become a lot redder (Communist). And Russia and these other countries will use their nuclear weapons to defend their gains.


2 posted on 11/03/2021 5:23:04 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Kaslin

never happen. it will always be proxy-war du jour


3 posted on 11/03/2021 5:26:11 AM PDT by NicoDon
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To: Kaslin

War would end trade with China which would be a great thing long term for America and American workers. A manufacturing renaissance!!!! It would be awesome.


4 posted on 11/03/2021 5:26:43 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Kaslin

But no mean Tweets.


5 posted on 11/03/2021 5:28:31 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: central_va

“War would end trade with China which would be a great thing long term for America and American workers. A manufacturing renaissance!!!! It would be awesome.”

...at least for those who haven’t first starved to death.


6 posted on 11/03/2021 5:39:37 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: Kaslin
The U.S. Navy can't risk losing carriers.

So - does that make carriers assets, or liabilities?

Preparing to fight a previous war (rather than the next war) is a common approach, if not always wise...

7 posted on 11/03/2021 5:41:41 AM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Shoeless Joe" played for the White Sox; "Clueless Joe" lives in the White House...)
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To: Kaslin

Take out Japan, Guam, and Hawaii with nuke strikes and our military disappears. The downs side would be guaranteed massive counter strike by the US.


8 posted on 11/03/2021 5:44:38 AM PDT by DownInFlames (G)
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To: Kaslin

The Chicoms would take Hawaii without a shot fired. Those Hawaiians would welcome them with open arms. Not all of course.


9 posted on 11/03/2021 5:45:13 AM PDT by HighSierra5 (The only way you know a commie is lying is when they open their pieholes.)
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To: Kaslin

A military loss to the PRC would cause the US dollar to cease being the world’s reserve currency. Ending the US government ability to create money to finance deficit spending. A good thing on the surface but would our nation survive the ensuing chaos.


10 posted on 11/03/2021 6:15:48 AM PDT by buckalfa (I have forgotten more than I ever knew.)
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To: Who is John Galt?

Defense contractors would be thrilled if the carriers were destroyed.

They would just get gigantic contracts to build new ones!


11 posted on 11/03/2021 6:17:28 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Kaslin
Three factors suggest China might strike in 2023 or election year 2024.

No.4: The Type 003 carrier is expected in service in 2023. The third Type 75 LHD is on track to enter service in 10/22. China was ramping up building one, two, then three DDG per year. For 2021, they are on track to complete eleven.

12 posted on 11/03/2021 7:32:13 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: DownInFlames

“Take out Japan, Guam, and Hawaii with nuke strikes and our military disappears. The downs side would be guaranteed massive counter strike by the US.”

And where would that counter strike take place?

Say they just hit Guam. We’re going to swap a military asset on an island for a major metropolitan center in China? There’s no neat swap here.

I think the reality is that China can take Taiwan - and with skill do so without a big fight. If they draw the Taiwanese military into a skirmish, they will threaten total war unless they capitulate. If we get involved, they may take out Guam and say “Your move.”

And what would we do? The Chinese will offer the rest of the world the prospect of a steady supply of chips and commerce, or the world can side with us. Hate to say it, but what do we manufacture here that the world just has to have?


13 posted on 11/03/2021 8:52:10 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: Kaslin

Chinese aggression against Taiwan or even further into the eastern Pacific will be met with appeasement by the Biden administration. If China says give us Guam or we nuke California, Biden would order the US flag on Guam lowered in an instant.


14 posted on 11/03/2021 9:46:09 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Rinnwald

Russia’s buildup is also planned to peak at 2024-2025. If I had to bet when China and Russia were going to move it would be then.


15 posted on 11/05/2021 3:00:19 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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