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Alcoholics Anonymous group in England censured for Reciting the Lord’s Prayer
American Thinker ^ | 01/04/2022 | Eric Utter

Posted on 01/04/2022 7:13:47 AM PST by SeekAndFind

An Alcoholics Anonymous group In Somerset, England was recently censured for reciting the Lord’s Prayer at the start of its meetings, according to London’s Daily Mail. The group was told by A.A. leaders that it had become too Christian-focused and has therefore been removed from the organization’s online directory. A.A. administrators first raised concerns about the prayer at a meeting in Somerset.

The move didn’t sit well with John Palmer, the group’s treasurer, who correctly noted that Alcoholics Anonymous was founded by Christians, and that it adopted and popularized the Serenity Prayer. The Serenity Prayer has been recited at the end of A.A. meetings across the world for many years.

“It’s a ridiculous decision,” said Mr. Palmer. “They’ve removed us from the ‘Find a meeting’ section of the A.A. website which will prevent new members from finding us. In other words, we’re being shut down.”

The drive to be open to-- and inclusive and tolerant of-- all things except one’s own culture and religion is an anomaly peculiar to today’s Western nations. And it is rapidly leading to our downfall.

Who would wish to cancel something that gives hope and strength to a group of alcoholics? Who would rid an A.A. meeting of the Lord’s Prayer? Who would wish to keep those lost from being found?

Apparently, heads of the A.A. themselves.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aa; alcoholics; lordsprayer; prayer; supportgroup
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1 posted on 01/04/2022 7:13:47 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Sad and angry!
So goes England...
...so goes America too, until we stop it!

I pray this group perseveres!


2 posted on 01/04/2022 7:17:33 AM PST by Guenevere (When the foundations are being destroyed what can the righteous do t)
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To: SeekAndFind
The drive to be open to-- and inclusive and tolerant of-- all things except one’s own culture and religion is an anomaly peculiar to today’s Western nations.

Tolerance is a two-way street. Other cultures need to accept Christians and stop whining.

3 posted on 01/04/2022 7:20:46 AM PST by Allegra
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To: SeekAndFind

Through the Grace of God and AA my mom has remained sober for over 30 years. Without both she’d be in prison or dead now.

This decision is absolutely unconscionable.

L


4 posted on 01/04/2022 7:21:46 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: SeekAndFind

I think the “leaders” who decided this should do their Steps again. This is so BS.


5 posted on 01/04/2022 7:23:26 AM PST by peggybac (My will is what I wanted. God's will is what I got.)
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To: SeekAndFind

May I suggest they look in the Book of Death(Koran) to find a suitable passage to replace it with, throw it right back in thier face.


6 posted on 01/04/2022 7:25:16 AM PST by eyeamok (founded in cynicism, wrapped in sarcasm)
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To: Guenevere

Just wait—until the BIG WAR and the enemy is at the gates. Then the churches will be full and all eyes on heaven to save them. When the streets are filled with bodies and all we have built is about to be lost to a godless foe. Then, we shall see. Now, Nation states are seen by the elites as trivial and of little value—They are “Citizens of the World” Try telling that to an enemy dedicated to killing you and taking all you have. The future is more like the 1930s than Star-Trek.


7 posted on 01/04/2022 7:27:25 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( ALWAYS GO FORWARD AND NEVER GO BACK.)
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To: Allegra

“Tolerance is a two-way street.”

Not to our enemies on the Left. It’s a weapon to be used against us. And they’re using it pretty damned well.

“Other cultures need to accept Christians and stop whining.”

That will never happen. They hate us and they want us dead or enslaved. They can accept no Higher Power other than themselves.

See my tag line.

L

P.S. It’s good to see you back on the forum.


8 posted on 01/04/2022 7:27:40 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: SeekAndFind

This is totally foreign to the way AA was founded. Each group has autonomy but dedicated to the same general program. There are women only groups, men only groups, gay only groups, discussion groups, traditional lead groups, why not christian prayer groups? The idea of some “leadership” imposing change on a local group is a bad development.


9 posted on 01/04/2022 7:29:20 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: Guenevere

Step 1 - Admit you have a problem. Step 2 - You are not the solution, you are the problem. Consider God.

AA roots are/were in Christianity. Specifically, The Oxford Group, which originated where? Oxford!


10 posted on 01/04/2022 7:30:21 AM PST by Oystir
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To: hinckley buzzard

I’d like to know who the “leaders” are.


11 posted on 01/04/2022 7:31:11 AM PST by peggybac (My will is what I wanted. God's will is what I got.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This really adds up to stupid. Founders of AA were members of a fundamentalist Protestant Christian movement, the Oxford Group. Its members “practiced absolute surrender, guidance by the Holy Spirit, sharing in fellowship, life changing faith, and prayer. They aimed for absolute standards of Love, Purity, Honesty, and Unselfishness, which later became an integral part of A.A.”

Over half of AA’s 12 steps are clearly religious or spiritual. It states we:

2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

aa is religious5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Almost funny how people can get so stupid in just their lifetime. It’s like saying that church functions aren’t religious because they are defined as being such. Obviously a product of public schools.

wy69


12 posted on 01/04/2022 7:45:32 AM PST by whitney69
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To: Lurker

“Lord, Grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the Courage to change the things I can; and the Wisdom to know the difference.”

I’ve been sober for 25 years. God bless your Mom.


13 posted on 01/04/2022 7:48:23 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: SeekAndFind
“They’ve removed us from the ‘Find a meeting’ section of the A.A. website which will prevent new members from finding us. In other words, we’re being shut down.”

Most people find out about meetings from word-of-mouth. AA Traditions tell us:
1) there are no "leaders", merely trusted servants, they do not govern (Trad 2).
2) each group is autonomous... (Trad 4)

They can do what they want with their "intergroup" website, but they cannot kill this meeting, or group.

By the grace of God, I've been clean and sober for 30 years - attend one meeting a week, it's a Step Meeting where more than 1/2 of us have over 20 years.
That's How it Works....

14 posted on 01/04/2022 7:50:14 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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To: Lurker
AA is a fantastic Program. The 12 Steps are a gift from God and works with many addictions as well. It would likely be successful with many other dysfunctional behaviors like liberal democrats.

Looks like Satan has got his disciples attacking this program that has prevented many folks from suffering with alcoholism. What a disgrace.

15 posted on 01/04/2022 7:51:54 AM PST by mosaicwolf
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To: SeekAndFind
If circumstances warrant, we ask our wives or friends to join us in morning meditation. If we belong to a religious denomination which requires a definite morning devotion, we attend to that also. If not members of religious bodies, we sometimes select and memorize a few set prayers which emphasize the principles we have been discussing. There are many helpful books also. Suggestions about these may be obtained from one’s priest, minister, or rabbi. Be quick to see where religious people are right. Make use of what they offer.

Alcoholics Anonymous, Page 87

16 posted on 01/04/2022 7:57:16 AM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: SeekAndFind

So much for the anonymity of AA.


17 posted on 01/04/2022 7:58:28 AM PST by moovova
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To: mosaicwolf

Bill W was Divinely Inspired when he wrote that book. He saved countless lives.

L


18 posted on 01/04/2022 7:59:57 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: SeekAndFind

we don’t want to change anything, just let us in said the NOW crowd

we just want to be accepted said the fags

we want to quit drinking without conscious thought said the drunken heathens

and it all goes to hell from there...


19 posted on 01/04/2022 8:07:05 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Lurker

I’m still not caving in to them.

I’m a Christian and won’t let them intimidate me.

Good to see you too. Happy New Year.


20 posted on 01/04/2022 8:10:11 AM PST by Allegra
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