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To: Kaslin

I’ve been saying for many years, the 1984 model of symbolizing direct government totalitarianism is obsolete. They figured out years ago that controlling the private sector is better than doing your own dirty work when they took over the media. This is because people will automatically reject and rebel against government overreach and overbearing control.

It’s not overly complex. It’s like information laundering. Passing the information through 3rd parties so as to conceal the source.

Now they do it with the power to suppress information too. It’s not government censorship of the people if it’s the ‘private sector’ doing it, right?


2 posted on 02/07/2022 6:31:15 AM PST by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: z3n

I think 1984 is the end game. In the book, the System is all in place and well established. It may have gotten their with private-sector actors, but they have long since been eliminated.

It makes sense, to me, that naked totalitarianism would, in the end, be only the Government. They would eliminate all threats, even those who once helped them.

I think you are correct, though, that a direct path to the end is out of fashion.


4 posted on 02/07/2022 6:38:43 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: z3n
Lenin and Trotsky imposed Bolshevism by brute force: first by defeating the White forces in battle and second by using the secret police to suppress all opposition, first rightist, then leftist. The novel 1984 does not go into great detail as to how Ingsoc came to power, but it indicates that there was a Third World War around 1950, followed by a unification of the white countries of the British Commonwealth and the Western Hemisphere nations and a takeover by Ingsoc shortly thereafter. By 1960, it was likely that the system was in place.

It is possible that in the 1984 novel, the unification preceded the Ingsoc takeover, especially if the Soviets drove the British and Americans off the European continent. In a modern context, it would be like the Davos group power brokers suppressed all real opposition in the U.S. and Western Europe, imposing a Social Credit system, mandatory vaccine passports, repressed conservative religions, etc. Then Antifa/BLM, who served as the Davos group's brown shirts,turned on their paymasters and seized power.

12 posted on 02/07/2022 7:10:42 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: z3n

Yes, the spooks took over the mass media for domestic propaganda, and then they subverted big tech to do the domestic spying that they aren’t supposed to do. The only thing left is for them to outsource the concentration camps.


13 posted on 02/07/2022 7:21:24 AM PST by Boogieman
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