Posted on 03/03/2022 9:39:49 PM PST by Navy Patriot
None of that is in the article or anywhere else for that matter. I don't have a dog in this fight, but I am surprised by how the posters here who are rushing to defend Ukraine are so willing to overtly lie to make their point.
Sounds like pure propaganda to me. He intends to discourage mercs from showing up. He’s going to make it sound as bad as he can.
So the Russian Minister of Defense is lying about the policy he sets? You just lied above saying they were going to mutilate and murder the mercenaries. Now you are saying that he is lying about that. So which is it? So far the only propaganda in this thread is coming from you.
When the video of people being summarily executed hits the global airways, it will be interesting if there’s any blowback.
Why are you making up these phony lies about summary execution? From the article:
I thought it was clear who you meant.
I don’t agree with our nation killing people already taken
into custody. I don’t agree with people being maltreated
either.
If one group of mercs has been terribly vicious in their
actions, I can see taking out a band of them in their
barracks in a non-combatant situation, like we might do
to normal national combatants.
I do not know if that is a violation of the Geneva
Convention, so I could be subject to correction there.
My focus is on people who have been subdued, and are no
longer a threat. IMO < and most likely not substantiated
by Geneva Convention standards, they should still be
treated humanely.
I don’t think my nation is perfect. I’m not trying to hold
the Russians to a higher standard. I am in favor of all
prisoners to be treated humanely.
It really doesn’t matter probably. If your in the theater of the war and foreign, not with them. You’re agin’em. The message is “enter at your own risk”. IMO
Ukrainian fighters are also using weapons supplied by the west. Russia is warning Ukrainians that they will be identified as "foreign fighters" and executed.
[I think there was a Marxist that had something to do with that, and then proceeded to butcher the very people he got riled up at Nick.]
Note that dynastic butchery isn’t some Russian invention. When Alexander died, his entire family was killed by his “Companions” to further their own ambitions.
Thank you for the response.
I should probably look it up. It’s late here.
As far as your point, I think ours and every other nations
should be held to humanitarian treatment of prisoners.
If it is known that one of them has info, they are fair
game > IMO. I don’t think the Geneva Convention agrees
with that in total, but with lives on the line I think
it is crucial prisoners be questioned vigorously.
No, this is real, as I said in my original post.
Russia will do this, and Russia has stated this.
Tass has reported this.
There is no one misrepresenting who they are or what was said.
It is NOT Propaganda.
This is Publicity and a truthful Public Announcement.
Certainly it will generate hatred for Russia.
Russian Propaganda would be untrue and designed to create sympathy for Russia.
Ukrainian Propaganda would be untrue and designed to create hatred for Russia.
It MAY be a threat, or it may just be a fact, I don't know.
I never offered an opinion on the morality of the act, I only specified that it was real, from Russian officials, and that they intended to take this action.
“None of the mercenaries the West is sending to Ukraine to
fight for the nationalist regime will enjoy the right of
combatants under international humanitarian law, Russian
Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said.”
On it’s own, this statement leaves the door wide open to
Russia doing anything it wanted to these people.
I did not go off site to view his extended comments.
I did not lie. I merely gave you examples of what could
take place if they decided to do field justice, to see
if you thought that would be okay since they aren’t
covered. I did not attribute the examples I provided
to him at all. All you had to do is say no, and that he
had explained they would be given a trial.
Your rush to call it a lie, is just silly.
Later he does say they would get a trial, but I’m not very
confident they will get much justice at one.
None the less, I do think it is the humanitarian way to
address it.
The establishment has had almost all media locked up for a decade now. Just six major corporations zone over 90% of all media in the United States. We do not live in a free country.
I was caused to read the off site extension of his comments.
As stated I see no real problem with what he is saying.
And since I did come to that conclusion, I am willing to
agree with your take on it.
Now, how are you going to address Putins threat of nuclear
war if he doesn’t get his way?
Real or propaganda?
I see it as propaganda. None of us want a nuclear war.
I do not think that the Ukraine is the only side tossing
out gems of propaganda of the highest order, but that is
how it is being portrayed in certain circles.
While I agree with you, the government didn’t shut down all
opposition. The NGOs did.
It is a very real problem, and I agree with you that we have
come to a place that you roughly describe in your comments.
We both detest that. It’s not healthy.
These corporations need to be broken up as it relates to
media. There should be 100s of legitimate sources of
information.
“Konashenkov said that foreign mercenaries were attacking Russian military and supply convoys and the aircraft providing support.”
The Putin fan boys told us it was fake news, the pictures of those convoys getting whacked.
The concept in human communication, that when a spokesman for a government agency, stating that agency's policy, was repsenting the offical position of that government, used to be simple to understand on this site. </sarc>
We have to remember who funds all these NGOs - the federal government.
I haven't posted on any of the "Putin Threatens To Nuke (fill in blank)" because I don't know what he will do.
If Putin threatens Nukes and he never intends to actually Nuke someone, that makes Putin's statement untrue, a Lie, and Propaganda designed to gain advantage for Putin/Russia. It would absolutely be Propaganda, and could be fairly called Putin Propaganda, Russian Propaganda (because of Putin's position in the RF), or both Putin/Russian Propaganda.
If Putin intends to loose Nukes, if he evaluates it necessary, then I would classify it as a truthful threat (because of the seriousness of the action).
I would not consider it a fact like a statement that he would enforce accepted International Law on the status of military troops versus illegal combatants.
In fact, I have no way of determining whether Putin is Lying or Truthful when he threatens to use Nuclear Weapons.
I only know he has the capability and he has access to the best Nukes and delivery options on the planet.
I also know that sane or insane, you can back a man into a corner and give him nothing to lose.
The same fate meted out to mercenaries during the chechen war.
What if they’re sworn into the Ukrainian military first?
Interestingly, the Chechen Military "unexpectedly" changed sides and "decided" to work exclusively for Putin (not Russia, just Putin), and began hunting down and bringing in their own Chechen friends who had committed Terrorist acts or gave them support.
Funny, that.
Foreign mercenaries usually never have POW status. They are usually routinely shot.
I’m not convinced NBC, ABC, CBS, the NYT, the WP, are all
government funded NGOs.
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