Poll taken March 12-13 of 1,200 respondents aged 18 and older in all oblasts except the occupied territories of Crimea and Donbas
Ukrainians don't buy the talking points Putin's supporters use in the Western media and on social media, about Putin's primary aim being preventing NATO bases or demilitarizing Ukraine or protecting Russian-speakers.
Rather, they apparently believe Putin in his eve of invasion speech in which he declared that Ukraine does not have the historical right to exist.
He has referred to them in very unflattering terms, Russian media has called them dogs and pigs, and Nazis, and drug addicts. For crying out loud their President is Jewish!
Majority of Russians support Putin just like they supported Stalin. Germans have no use for Hitler after they got their butts kicked. Perhaps Russia didn’t suffer enough. Should of listened to Patton. Could it have been another quagmire like Afghanistan/VietNam? Possibly.
I don’t think that’s an unfounded suspicion.
But what’s the real story here?
The inference is that 50% support Putin?
It’s difficult to see the upside for Pootie-Poot.
Maybe he can go to Texas and manage W’s ranch.
Wth would you expect them to say?
Bingo! Putin is a propagandist and wannabe Hitler, who ranted that Kruschev was wrong to grant Ukraine Independence 7 decades ago.
Things me of the inspirational saying:
If you love someone let them go;
If they come back to you it’s beautiful;
If they don’t, hunt them down and kill them.
At this point, with all objectives ruined, I think it likely Putin just wants to obliterate Ukraine and leave enough Russian troops in key areas to prevent NATO objectives as long as possible.
Russians have been attempting to eradicate Ukrainians since ling before the last Czar died.
I am not a neo-con, or a fan of NATO for several reasons, but the Western talking points aren’t even an intelligent psyop, and will work well for the historically illiterate.
Worse, once an arrogant person takes a position, even if they were to be showered with hard facts, they will not accept them.
At such a point, the truth is simply untenable.
NATO —
A few points on that NATO thang[ey] -
#1. For 45 years, the geographic distance between CCCP and NATO was anywhere between roughly 3” inches, all the way up to approximately 150 yards.
Not 30, 50, 250 miles.
((And that was with CCCP and its Warsaw Pact tipping out at near 55,000 nuclear warheads, 67,000 tanks, more than 70,000 armored infantry fighting vehicles, and over 71,000 artillery guns. Except or nuclear warheads, in each category, NATO was outnumbered anywhere from 8-10 to 1 ( or more), on a border which was only feet from CCCP. The only thing keeping Moscow from rapidly smashing all of Europe was MAD, and US nuclear artillery. Thankfully, God raised up Reagan, whi crushed CCCP with finance and trade policy, there would be a necessary CCCP transition to CIS, and there has been reprieve.
#2. NATO has not admitted a nation since 2004.
#3. While NATO has an “anyone is welcome to apply policy”, NATO membership requires unanimous consent for membership, and several prominent EU nations have preemptively said no to Ukraine membership (multiple times), specifically because of the large 9 nation, Kremlin controlled CIS military threat, and it’s strong Beijing/Moscow alliance which has existed since 2009/2010, but now publically formalized in the past month.
#4. Ukraine did begin the NATO “MAP” process required for all applicants, but didn’t apply for NATO membership until Russia took Eastern Ukraine and Crimea in 2014. After Moscow took the Donbass region and rich resources, and Crimea, nearly 70% of the population wanted NATO membership, or nearly double the number from 2008.
It is a detached individual and society which looks from a far off, and judges and quarterbacks the people being bombed, rocketed, shelled, burned, and wiped out.
Interesting what fear and desperation can do to a population -
I’m watching Gingrich right now. Some of the anti Ukraine nuts here need to listen to Newt, Pompeo, Trump, Grenell, and everyone from the Trump administration. Those are our trusted leaders.
People in the subway in Kyiv or the bombed out basements of Mariupol, perhaps devastated Kherson?
What moron thinks they could conduct a legitimate poll?
How about, ask the question "Does this suck?"
Or "Do you think Russians are trying to kill you?"
You ignore your opponent's direct words at your peril.
I believe Putin and don't for the life of me understand why some Freepers keep saying Putin's goal is anything less than total control.
Ukrainian Pravda? You have got to be kidding me.
That simply explains how easy it is to brainwash idiots.
Look at the mass deportations of Ukrainians who were not “Russian enough” to work camps in Siberia and other parts of the Soviet Union, where many of them died. This included Tartars, Cossacks, ethnic Germans, and Jews.
And then look in 2014 at how the non-ethnic Russians were treated in Crimea and the eastern “breakaway” provinces.
The people of Ukraine, do know that Putin does want to destroy the Ukraine people.