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To: Az Joe
According to Putin, any nation of the former Soviet bloc joining NATO is a security threat to Russia.

How, exactly? And I'm asking for a rational response that makes logical sense, not simply someone's subjective view.

4 posted on 04/28/2022 9:58:37 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

I’m sure you’ll be treated to a nice colorful map of the Wehrmacht‘s invasion route in 1941. Fought between two states that no longer exist. Oh, and no map of the Soviet invasion map of Poland either.


8 posted on 04/28/2022 10:22:24 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

That’s the problem, “threatened” is just like the SJW define “offensive”. There is no objective standard, and anybody can choose to invoke it for anything they don’t like, and hence it’s a useless pact.


11 posted on 04/28/2022 10:24:42 AM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
I'm asking for a rational response that makes logical sense, not simply someone's subjective view.

If you reversed the roles with a purely hypothetical scenario, with perhaps the U.S. & Mexico, you might just answer your own question, using your own rational thoughts.

If Mexico partnered with a committed & admitted Nazi group, for example, to gang up on American ex-pats living in Mexico yet were loyal to the U.S. These ex-pats were being constantly under attack, given formal recognition and acceptance by Mexico to these Nazis, to run rough shod over Americans living in Mexico.

Would you say that the U.S. would be justified in leading an armed invasion force into Mexico to stop the violence being committed upon these ex-pats?

That scenario is exactly what has been occurring in Eastern Ukraine for the past eight years.

19 posted on 04/28/2022 11:04:08 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

“How, exactly? And I’m asking for a rational response that makes logical sense, not simply someone’s subjective view.”

As you know, this issue is a highly charged political issue. In order to have a rational understanding, you must dig down into the weeds yourself and clearly NOT get your information solely from the main stream, western media. Why? Because they are not independent in their reporting in any way. There is a very good reason they are called “fake news.”

I have spent time with my own research in the weeds and am 100% convinced that our government continues to lie to us about this (and many other issues) with full support of the media.

The root of this problem goes back to the US interfering in Ukraine in 2014. The deep state launched a regime change in that country via a coup. That coup is called the Maidan Revolution.

So, Russia looks around and sees NATO doubling in size over the last 20 or so years and expanding to his border, the US invading in country after country, interfering in sovereign nations for regime change, expansion into Ukraine and concluding there is a likelihood they will be next in the US and NATO crosshairs. In fact, Biden has stated publicly he wants regime change in Russia. All of this indicates a threat to Russia. Putin anticipated an existential threat to his country and took action. That’s the bottom line.

Rather than attempting to explain all of this, here are some excellent sources that will give you another view. This view is the opposite of what you hear from our political class and the western media.

Cato Institute On Maidan Revolution
https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

Professor John Mearsheimer — Why is Ukraine the West’s Fault?
https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4?t=127

Social Media/You Tube Channels & Reports
The Duran
https://www.youtube.com/c/TheDuran

Alex Christoforou — Daily Posts & Comments
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6cF_2V1vNKx-nFdGd8cOcA

The Dive with Jackson Hinkle
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdKWfPLO_Emwqd8HnTOeJkw

The New Atlas — Former US Military Comments On Military Issues
Very Thorough Reporting With Reference Material
Excellent recent update: https://youtu.be/sAtdynekZNQ
YouTube Channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVkSF37pPXkZbElFjBwUsEA

You can listen to the very shrill voices on FR and other sources or listen to both sides and come to your own conclusion. That’s the reality.


21 posted on 04/28/2022 11:15:19 AM PDT by icclearly
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

How would you feel if the ChiComs invited Mexico into their “security arrangement” and stationed troops and missiles there?


35 posted on 04/28/2022 1:49:27 PM PDT by Az Joe (Biden is the enemy, not Putin.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Would you trust NATO?


40 posted on 04/28/2022 2:03:58 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (Praise Hashem, for his restoration of all things!)
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