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To: SoConPubbie; BiglyCommentary; libh8er; PIF; Bruce Campbells Chin; Kevmo; rrrod; Red Badger; ...

One term I’ve seen a few times is Pooty Pal.

We have been shown wide angle aerial photos of vast areas of Mariupol which were totally devastated. Russian troops did not have to do that if there were just pockets of “Nazi” resistance in neighborhoods. I think the total devastation of the entire city speaks to Putin’s goal of the underground ressources in Ukraine. Development on the surface was not important and Ukraine lives even less so. At first he seemed to want to spare the useful steel plant, but gave up when he saw the determined resistance, so ruin to that too.


13 posted on 05/21/2022 10:48:18 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority)
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To: gleeaikin

Putin has left the Ukrainians with no choice but to continue fighting. A ceasefire would give all that wealthy/productive territory to Russia, making them that much stronger when they inevitably return to Ukraine in a few years and finish the job.


14 posted on 05/21/2022 10:53:09 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: gleeaikin

We have been shown wide angle aerial photos of vast areas of Mariupol which were totally devastated. Russian troops did not have to do that

You are making too much of the flattening of Mariupol’ - its just the Orc way of war - they always shell indiscriminately - especially civilians.

There are dozens of towns and villages that only have the outline of the buildings remaining: it something is two feet high, shell it until its is one foot high, then shell that until the rubble bounces at least once. It costs them nothing to do this outside of transportation costs.

They have enough shells to fight WWII all over again with lots remaining to shell all other countries; they have millions on millions of shells stockpiled because they once planned to take over the world.

There are other reasons besides the so called underground resources - which are very limited and not worth going to war for in the first place:

Most importantly is to secure the plains leading directly into Russia to the Urals - this is an indefensible invasion route.

Second is to secure the fresh water supply to northern Crimea, without which the sandy soil becomes salty and uninhabitable - everything in the Crimea depends on this source of fresh water. When Russia lost the Crimea, Ukraine shut this water supply off, rendering the soil in Crimea salty again.


15 posted on 05/21/2022 11:08:53 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: gleeaikin
Russian troops did not have to do that if there were just pockets of “Nazi” resistance in neighborhoods.

Russian troops didn't do all that...there are plenty of first hand accounts and video evidence of wanton destruction of civilian infrastructure by the retreating Ukrainian forces. There is also plenty of evidence the Ukrainian "heroes" purposely placed heavy equipment and took up firing positions in residential areas, drawing the inevitable response.

I think the total devastation of the entire city speaks to Putin’s goal of the underground resources in Ukraine.

Mariupol is NOT totally destroyed... in fact electric and water services have already been restored in parts of the city. A rough estimate is only 50% of the buildings are beyond repair. This will become a priority once Ukraine has been formally partitioned...😨

17 posted on 05/21/2022 11:30:36 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: gleeaikin

Mariupol was the Azov nazi HQ. Other then block to block infantry rifle fights, where the nazis are free to fire back with heavy weapons, how else are you supposed to liberate it?

You have a childlike view of how a war looks.

Essentially, your view seems to be that ANY kind of attack on the nazi HQ was mean or unfair. As to the civilians, the Russians were evacuating them wholesale through corridors leading to safety in Russia. Azov and Kiev insisted on
“humanitarian corridors” to the east. Those were refused because they were nothing more than rescue routes to evacuate Azov or resupply them.

The 4th Reich lost this battle, just like Paulus at Stalingrad. They got surrounded and captured.


23 posted on 05/21/2022 1:21:41 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: gleeaikin

“Russian troops did not have to do that if there were just pockets of “Nazi” resistance in neighborhoods.”

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Ridiculous. It’s the same argument in the Battle of Manila when the pounded the city to root out the Japs before entering. Cities can easily be rebuilt.


32 posted on 05/21/2022 3:01:45 PM PDT by max americana (Fired leftards at work since 2018 at every election just to see them cry. I hate them all.)
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