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To: reformedliberal
You know the precise point I was making. This history is available everywhere.

The history is out there, but, 'certain' people want to interpret that history their own way.

But, the real goings on are many times different from what people hear or what they perceive. Nothing out there more practical than reality.
31 posted on 05/25/2022 7:30:12 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

The region is known as The Bloodlands for centuries of reasons.
Everything worked well enough until the Ukrainian leadership refused to implement CIA/NATO plans.

CIA/NATO provoked the Maidan w/usual tactics used forever, everywhere they wanted to steal land/resources/people, or had set up ratlines for profit.

Same kept provoking Russia.

Results from 2014 well-known, internationally documented, and not even subject to *interpretation*.

Russia presented situation in UN. UN not impartial, just as they are never impartial as concerns the USA, regardless of Security Council status.

Referendum over Eastern territories held and ratified.

Ukraine responded militarily & asymmetrically, but only because of Western material/informational warfare support.

Russia warned it would respond protectively.

Entire West tried to come together over Russia’s response and met Russia’s preparations and did not prevail, propaganda on global state media not withstanding. EU is fracturing over this issue because food & energy are existential.

We are all living through those results.

Mariupol port is up and running cleared of debris & mines, both emplaced by Ukraine. Exports/imports flowing.

Russia beginning to hold tribunals for well-documented Ukrainian war crimes committed w/Western assistance.
Note that historically, winners do this, not vanquished.

Western leaders, including unelected Grand Old Men of the NWO, are all strongly making the case for negotiated peace settlement. Only Zelensky is being adamant, demanding more funds while his troops surrender and defect. He is trying to punch above his weight and forgets his own origins. He is likely to soon be brought to heel. He is a puppy trying to be a wolf.

Biden refuses to accept repayment of bonds, declares Russia in default/State media uses term *bankrupt* while Russian economy/currency outperforms the world, including USA. World braced for Western FF, but so far, all they can manage is to use MKUltra’d kids within the US. Global situation is precarious going forward.

Putin is not a saint, anymore than Trump was. Or Bolsonaro, for that matter. It takes tough men to fight this current evil against the world.

There are just as many Ukrainians brainwashed by openly state-controlled media and partisanship as there are Americans. This is unfortunate, because sheep can only be herded &/or slaughtered, they do not prevail.

Anyone with a single eye and a single working synapse sees the reality. Refusal to admit reality does not change it.

I have no interest in parsing reality. It is what it is. Do not continue to beat the poor horse. It is dead.

Unfortunately, the propaganda is so strong, that another horse will be introduced soon, while the vanquished proclaim the original horse has risen from the dead.

It is disgusting, tragic, predictable and stupid and world has had enough.

So have I, with zero interest in continuing this fruitless discussion.

Find another current thing.


32 posted on 05/26/2022 9:07:27 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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