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Police: Tulsa suspect targeted surgeon he blamed for pain
The Associated Press ^ | June 2, 2022 | By SEAN MURPHY and TERRY WALLACE

Posted on 06/02/2022 9:05:08 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I blame my hip surgeon and his miserable PT crew for long-lasting pain, but I’m pretty sure I won’t “target” him. (Would never recommend him to anyone, though.)


101 posted on 06/02/2022 3:10:08 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Jesus took my burden and left me with a song.)
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To: SoConPubbie

We may disagree on thjngs. We may agree on others. A lot of the evidence has been quietly retracted of which you speak. I just didn’t take a victory lap. The point is the whole reason we have a forum is to talk, argue, advocate.

It is possible for reasonable people to reasonably disagree. Telling me you agree with me but throwing a punch using heavy handed words meant to invoke a political pang is not necessary

Anyway I hope you have a good evening. Stay well.


102 posted on 06/02/2022 4:25:14 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: Lazamataz

Email me any time. Happy to chat.


103 posted on 06/02/2022 4:27:24 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: markman46

I am an anesthesiologist. Its part of my training. When most people think about anesthesiologists, they think of someone sitting on a hard stool pumping gas in am operating room. The American Board of Anesthesiology certifies candidates in the practice of anesthesiology upon successful completion of one year internship in either internal medicine or surgery, followed by three years of residency in anesthesiology. In those three years we rotate in general anesthesia practice and fundamentals, then spend the remaining time in specialty rotations including critical care, pain management, perioperative medicine and research if desired.

At the conclusion of residency, we must pass a rigorous written examination spanning 600 questions which has one of the highest failures rates among the 24 boards and once you get through that, you are invited to a formal oral exam which is administered 12 - 18 months later. Once through the residency process there are five fellowships that provide advanced training and special qualification status.

More and more in medicine lines are getting blurred as the science evolves. Previously what was through to be the domain of various aubsoecialties (sleep medicine ie, is now being certified by other boards. Critical care can be accesssd by four residency programs to qualify for the fellowship. There are now internal medicine pain doctors, surgical Intensivist’s, OB hospitalists and the list goes on

I hope this was useful in answering the question. At the end of the day, doctors should act like doctors and take care of the patient in front of them instead of worrying about all the bullcrap metrics required by people who haven’t stood at bedside a day in their lives.


104 posted on 06/02/2022 4:36:45 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: Jacquerie

There is no question that there are not excellent ortho spine surgeons. I was making a general comment on having seen both specialties do the same surgeries and commenting on the preponderance of results.

Glad all went well for you.


105 posted on 06/02/2022 4:39:00 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: eyeamok

Just went through massive surgery on my back. Fused the L2/3, the L3/4, the L4/5 and the L5/S1. My doctor invented a gimmick to use in back surgeries and it was approved by the feds to be used. It seems to work okay at this point, 16 days post-surgery. Basically, rebuilt my back. There is work yet to be done to get me out of all this pain I have suffered. But I ain’t going out and shooting up the danged country because of the pain. It started way back in my Army days. They would never operate on my back, shoulders or my knees. Now I have had 3 backs, two-shoulders and another surgery should be done after I recover this third back surgery. And, I had both knees replaced. The Army just refused to ever even scope the danged things. And the wear and tear over my military career and other activities finally broke them all down.


106 posted on 06/02/2022 4:59:56 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Free Will. GOD gives you the choice I accept or reject Him! Choose Him. It depends on you.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Probably wasn’t given adequate pain relief. Not excusing what he did, but a post operative patient should be given enough pain medication to relieve most of his pain. St. Francis probably has a protocol limiting the amount doctors can prescribe. I so wish bureaucracies and governmental agencies would stay out of the doctor/patient relationship.


107 posted on 06/02/2022 6:32:53 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: miserare

I’m a strong 2A supporter — Constitutional carry (open & concealed), any # of firearms, any ammo, any capacity, stand your ground, castle doctrine — and yes, everyone properly trained & armed who wishes to or should be.
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What is sad is how sick our society has become. At my public HS in the late 60s & early 70s, we had a rifle team. On practice & competition days, team members brought their .22 long guns to school. The rifles in their cases were too large to fit in the school lockers, so they carried them to class. Nobody thought a thing about it, and we had no mass shootings.
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Oh, and every self respecting male carried a pocketknife with him; just part of getting dressed. No knife fights or stabbings, either. Also no police on campus, fences, or metal detectors.
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How things have changed.


108 posted on 06/02/2022 7:04:27 PM PDT by twister881
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To: rottweiller_inc

Hi rottweiler_inc; I hope you are well

Yes, pain has its place for warning us. I have to be sensitive to m disregard for it. I’ve told others that there is a reason we don’t grab the handle of an iron pit boiling water. It is called learning by the hand on stove method. Most pain tells us quickly that something is wrong. Ignoring it deludes us.

I am sorry about your hips and hope you are in a better place today.

Backstory on the shooter in Tulsa is that his tolerance of pain meds was influenced by his heavy, regular, marijuana use. Overuse deadened some of the ability to accept what was given.

Gwjack


109 posted on 06/03/2022 4:06:21 AM PDT by gwjack (May God give America His richest blessings.)
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To: gas_dr

thank you sir for all that information, had no idea how rigorous training is.


110 posted on 06/03/2022 10:14:39 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!you)
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