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Putin dealt devastating blow after mass surrender of Russian troops on frontline
Express UK ^ | 6/20/2022 | OLI SMITH

Posted on 06/20/2022 9:52:37 AM PDT by marcusmaximus

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To: NorseViking

Bingo.


61 posted on 06/20/2022 12:26:52 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Biden not only suffers fools and criminals, he appoints them to positions of responsibility. )
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To: marcusmaximus

Reading your stuff is like the Babylon Bee… ‘LARGE’ in all caps and then it turns out to be 14 troops. You’re such a 🤡.


62 posted on 06/20/2022 12:41:05 PM PDT by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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To: marcusmaximus
A squad strength is not a mass surrender.   Who are these people?
63 posted on 06/20/2022 1:38:27 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: Seruzawa
14 is a mass surrender? Oh please.

This is for the people who only read headlines.

64 posted on 06/20/2022 1:41:36 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Long live the Great MAGA King!)
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To: RouxStir
They must have left out a colon:

Actually, that is where the article came from, their colon.

65 posted on 06/20/2022 1:41:41 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: marcusmaximus

My middle son knows SF advisor in Ukraine advising uke army Contrary to public admission

That operator tell his company commander who is tight with him that the Ukes are stuck in cities can’t move into the open and the ones in the east are being rolled over

Propaganda has its limits

My son is driver for his captain in whatever from Bradley to Humvee or going to get pizzas or vape juice off base


66 posted on 06/20/2022 1:47:50 PM PDT by wardaddy (Where did all the sane posters go......they cannot have all died ....could they ?)
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To: marcusmaximus

Meanwhile in Donetsk
Our cash and weapons Ukrop uses to murder civilians in non military shelling as they have been doing since Maiden eight years ago
Punitive attacks as they retreat or get annihilated

https://youtu.be/TLXR6pXrzBI

https://youtu.be/n82hgiQN97o


67 posted on 06/20/2022 1:51:02 PM PDT by wardaddy (Where did all the sane posters go......they cannot have all died ....could they ?)
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To: flamberge
It is a race against dwindling supplies of ammunition, equipment, and men.

It is not a race against dwindling supplies of ammunition because the Russians have the world's largest production capacity right there in their own country. Unlike the U.S. they didn't send major parts of their supply chain to enemy countries.

68 posted on 06/20/2022 2:08:31 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: flamberge; ought-six; PIF; MercyFlush; Zhang Fei; Kevmo; BiglyCommentary; All

Yes, we must be very careful not to inflame Ivan the Monster while we quake in our boots. And the women closest to the monster don’t want to create helpless children to suffer his kisses and worse.


69 posted on 06/20/2022 2:30:14 PM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authoritytQiviut )
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To: gleeaikin
Yes, we must be very careful not to inflame Ivan the Monster...

Well, not quite.

If we are going to hit them, it has to be quick enough, and hard enough that they cannot hit back. Or it has to be sneaky enough and disorienting enough that they never quite get the resolution to hit back.

I am unconvinced that our guys are smart enough to take either path. I would be really happy to be wrong in that assessment.

"Hit back" in this case means "fire 6,000 nuclear weapons". Maybe 300 of them will actually work. That is quite enough to usher in a "New World Order". We might even "win" such an exchange. It would be a pyrrhic victory.

The inevitable Chinese incursions into Russia (Siberia) while the Russians try to deal with insurgency in conquered provinces of Eastern Europe will likely be what destroys Russia. They will not be able to hold what they take. They do not have the native population to do that.

Our problem is how to stop the Russians without throwing them into a death-spasm use of nuclear weapons. It is a difficult problem, though I believe there are solutions.

The people we have at the top of our military commands and the current political leadership are not the people who can solve this problem (IMO).

70 posted on 06/20/2022 3:09:32 PM PDT by flamberge (How fast you run does not matter if it is in the wrong direction.)
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To: AndyJackson
...the Russians have the world's largest production capacity right there in their own country...

Even so, they are using up their stocks faster than they can replace them. They will run out. The question is whether their opponents will run out first. Shipments from Europe and the US have kept the Ukrainians in the war, but it is not enough.

The Ukrainians will run out of soldiers before the Russians run out of soldiers.

Unless the Chinese backstab the Russians. That seems unlikely, but the Russians have learned to trust no one.

Yes, we are actually in worse shape as far as run rates. When we run out of "stuff", the Russians will be able to out-produce us in critical military supplies for land warfare, exactly for the reasons that you mentioned.

We have very little time to shorten and improve the reliability of our supply chains.

71 posted on 06/20/2022 3:30:31 PM PDT by flamberge (How fast you run does not matter if it is in the wrong direction.)
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To: gleeaikin

“Let’s see what happens now if the heavy long range howitzers are finally reaching the eastern front per another Ukraine post today.”

Good idea. Maybe we can watch as the Ruskies blow them up like the other $40 billion worth of arms.

That $40 billion sure worked out really well! Right?


72 posted on 06/20/2022 4:32:59 PM PDT by icclearly
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To: flamberge
They will run out.

Just like they did in the war of 1812 and WWII.

73 posted on 06/20/2022 4:34:46 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: achilles2000

“Amazing. Russian medical technology has discovered how to resurrect the dead!”

Now, that’s pretty darn good! I knew the Ruskies had great technology like fighter jets, nuclear bombs, first in space, and even standing in for our government-run NASA space program when we could not launch our own.

Way to go!

Wait ‘till Zelensky the clown figures this out. He’ll be asking us for resurrected dead people from the west. In fact, it might help if they had experience with our arms before they passed ‘cause by the time Zelensky the clown gets his hands on the replacement arms from his massive equipment losses he won’t have anybody left to operate the replacement equipment.


74 posted on 06/20/2022 4:41:49 PM PDT by icclearly
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To: flamberge; Williams; Yo-Yo; ought-six; MercyFlush; All

No one would win such an exchange, It was pointed out some years ago when it was feared India and Pakistan might use their 50 nukes each, that the results would be civilization destroying. Possible nuclear winter and worldwide radiation sickness. The old nuclear war novel “On the Beach” painted a pretty bleak picture.


75 posted on 06/20/2022 10:42:04 PM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authoritytQiviut )
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To: gleeaikin

“The old nuclear war novel “On the Beach” painted a pretty bleak picture.”

Good book. Good movie.


76 posted on 06/21/2022 7:52:42 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Lurkinanloomin
Paulus surrendered 91,000 at Stalingrad.

And damned few of them ever saw Germany again.

77 posted on 06/21/2022 10:52:30 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Militia to the border! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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