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Jonah Goldberg: Overturning Roe also upended 'three-legged stool' of conservatism (NeverTrumper alert)
Grand Forks Herald ^ | July 1, 2022 | Jonathan Goldberg

Posted on 07/01/2022 5:45:05 AM PDT by DoodleBob

In overturning Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court delivered the right’s biggest single victory ever, and it may spell the end of the conservative movement as we’ve known it.

It was Ronald Reagan who popularized the notion that the conservative movement rested on a fusionist “three-legged stool.” In theory, the three legs were free market economics, national defense and social conservatism. In practice, free market economics meant low taxes and pro-business policies. National defense meant anticommunism and, briefly, the war on terror. Social conservatism covered a lot of territory but the enduring core was opposition to Roe and abortion.

Like anticommunism, “pro-life” was a big tent all its own, including constitutionalists, religious activists, advocates of states’ rights et al. While nearly everyone invoked the “sanctity of life,” as a policy matter, many argued merely for overturning Roe either to fix a jurisprudential error or to send the issue back to the states, to let the democratic process find a social compromise on abortion.

For other abortion opponents, however, overturning Roe was a first step on the road to enshrining a “culture of life” that protected the unborn from conception onward.

Think of it this way: If the court had banned abortion outright based on the “right to life” found in the 14th Amendment, the once-united opponents of Roe would be divided. Some would cheer a huge win for life, but others would see the same sort of judicial activism they decried in Roe. Well, the fallout from Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization has opened a similar rift between opponents of Roe and opponents of abortion. And it’s a mystery where these factions will go next, ideologically or politically.

While a lot attention is on states where abortion will be banned, it’s telling that two of the GOP’s most popular governors, Ron DeSantis of Florida and Glenn Youngkin of Virginia, have stopped short of outlawing abortion, preferring a ban after 15 weeks of pregnancy. Georgia’s Republican Gov. Brian Kemp stands behind a 6-week limit, while New Hampshire’s Chris Sununu says abortion will remain legal in his state.

Meanwhile, some House Republicans have called for a federal abortion ban. “The Life at Conception Act” has 160 co-sponsors, though one wonders how many it will lose now that it has a chance, however slim, of passage.

All of this political positioning surely has a lot to do with the role the GOP base plays in congressional elections compared with statewide races, where winning the more moderate middle is necessary.

One of the arguments for repealing Roe was that it fueled polarization by removing accountability on abortion policy. Politicians could take base-pleasing absolutist positions knowing that Roe barred any meaningful changes that reflected the more nuanced views of voters. For instance, while it’s true that large numbers of Americans were against repealing Roe, support for Roe’s actual guidelines was mixed. As of April, more Americans favored a ban on abortions after 15 weeks than opposed one, though the same survey also found a majority of voters say abortion should be legal in all or most cases (obviously, it’s complicated). Republicans generally benefited from polarization on abortion both financially and electorally. But they also benefited from the unity of purpose conservatives enjoyed pre-Dobbs. In the post-Roe era that unity is gone, at least for the foreseeable future.

Which brings me back to that three-legged stool.

The end of the Cold War spelled the end of anticommunism’s role in galvanizing conservatives around a specific foreign and defense policy. Pat Buchanan, for instance, considered Cold War anticommunism the great exception to conservatism’s natural tendency to isolationism, which he returned to in the 1990s. Donald Trump’s “America First” rhetoric was a delayed victory for Buchananism.

As for economics, most on the right still reject tax hikes, but the war on “woke capitalism” is the hot new thing, and protectionism has lost its bad odor. Indeed, while traditional conservative opposition to a more generous welfare state has been eroding for some time, the Dobbs decision may hasten the process. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida, hailed the court’s decision. “But,” he added, “we must not only continue to take steps to protect the unborn, we must also do more to support mothers and their babies.”

He promised to “soon introduce a bill to ensure we do everything we can to give every child the opportunity to fully access the promise of America.”

I think the Supreme Court decided Dobbs correctly. But those who insist the majority acted out of partisan loyalty to the GOP or to the broader conservative movement miss the fact that neither may benefit over the long haul. The conservative justices ruled on principle, letting the chips fall where they may. It’s going to be raining chips for quite a while.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anotherservingplease; clownservative; dobbs; jarjarfatberg; jonahgoldberg; liberalworldorder; neoclown; notaconservative; prolife
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To: DoodleBob

“It was Ronald Reagan who popularized the notion that the conservative movement rested on a fusionist “three-legged stool.” In theory, the three legs were free market economics, national defense and social conservatism. In practice, free market economics meant low taxes and pro-business policies. National defense meant anticommunism and, briefly, the war on terror. Social conservatism covered a lot of territory but the enduring core was opposition to Roe and abortion.”

An over-simplification froma simple mind.
Go away, Goldberg.


21 posted on 07/01/2022 5:55:06 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is NOT a religion of any sort. It is a violent and tyrannical system of ruling others.)
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To: DoodleBob

Jonah has perfected the art of writing stool.


22 posted on 07/01/2022 5:56:44 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which stands.)
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To: imabadboy99

Liberals want to argue that the Constitution, which specifically mentions guns, does not guarantee your right to own a firearm, yet at the same time, they want to argue that the Constitution, which does not even contain the word “abortion” affords a Constitutional right to murder your child.

You can’t reason with these people. They’re not even just ignorant. They’re actually purposely evil. Purposely deceptive. Purposely destructive. Purposely twisting the rule of law to fit their satanic world view.


23 posted on 07/01/2022 5:57:16 AM PDT by imabadboy99
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It shows how fake National Review is that he once led it. He was just playing a conservative. He put out a book called “Liberal Fascism.”


24 posted on 07/01/2022 5:58:45 AM PDT by TakebackGOP
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To: DoodleBob

“ Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida, hailed the court’s decision. “But,” he added, “we must not only continue to take steps to protect the unborn, we must also do more to support mothers and their babies.” He promised to “soon introduce a bill to ensure we do everything we can to give every child the opportunity to fully access the promise of America.”

I’m guessing Rubio wants to fund some new program by the same federal government bankrupted by similar socialist programs.


25 posted on 07/01/2022 6:00:07 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (“Giving money & power to government is like giving whiskey & car keys to teenage boys” P.J. O’Rourke)
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To: DoodleBob

Jonah Goldberg, one more reason I fled from the conservative movement like my hair was on fire.


26 posted on 07/01/2022 6:00:09 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: DoodleBob

Jonah,

What does it profit if a man gains the whole world and loses his soul?

You prefer “winning” politically over stopping the bloodshed and carnage of abortion? Ripping the limbs off of the unborn?

Indeed, you and your ilk have lost your souls.


27 posted on 07/01/2022 6:00:42 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: JonPreston

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Goldberg has never met a Vindman he didn’t like.

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28 posted on 07/01/2022 6:01:06 AM PDT by AnthonySoprano (Lindsey Graham: How can anyone be Mad at Joe Biden)
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To: imabadboy99

point being, these people don’t have any respect for our Constitution or our Founders, or this nation. The Constitution is just a thing to be manipulated and used to institute their insane worldview.

This is why teaching a correct view of History and childhood curriculums are so important!


29 posted on 07/01/2022 6:01:52 AM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: cdcdawg
that Buckley Put together during the Cold War. The world kept going; National Review did not.

Sadly Buckley didn't keep going may the great man RIP.

30 posted on 07/01/2022 6:02:04 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: DoodleBob

WOW, the Grand Forks Herald, Jonah is coming up in the world.


31 posted on 07/01/2022 6:02:35 AM PDT by Maris Crane
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To: DoodleBob

Odd logic.

But if we need to make a new third leg (the three leg rule being artificial, but okay), we suggest people are individuals, not races.


32 posted on 07/01/2022 6:04:40 AM PDT by lurk (u)
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To: DoodleBob

Buried in all that excessive wording was a valid point - Republicans/conservatives were basically united in opposing Roe. They will be less united in terms of what should replace it at the state level.


33 posted on 07/01/2022 6:06:04 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: DoodleBob

Talk about falling from the tree.


34 posted on 07/01/2022 6:06:11 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1787. Death Certificate - 2021. )
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To: imabadboy99
Anybody hear G W MORON come out of the woodwork to praise the overturn of Roe v. Wade? Or does he only come out to bash Trump? “He hurt Jeb’s feelings!”

Not quite, but, Former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said

his philosophy is similar to that of Chief Justice John Roberts in terms of change. Roberts voted to uphold the Mississippi law that bans abortion at 15 weeks being considered in the Dobbs case but did not go as far as his conservative colleagues in voting to overturn Roe. “When you’ve got a precedent and society relies on it for a long period of time, there’s certain expectations that arise,” Gonzales said. “So, you know, it’s a jolt to our system.” He said there are sometimes reasons to overturn precedent if it is “simply unworkable” and unaccepted by society. He said the court seems to overturn precedent about once per year, so precedent is “very, very important,” which is the “jarring” part of the ruling.

35 posted on 07/01/2022 6:06:46 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity’s waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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To: DoodleBob

Hey Jonah Goldbrick. What the hell is wrong with you?


36 posted on 07/01/2022 6:06:59 AM PDT by TTFlyer (Lenin: that by the infliction of terror, a well-organized minority can conquer a nation.)
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To: AnthonySoprano

He slabbers for the Vindman Twins.


37 posted on 07/01/2022 6:07:07 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: frogjerk

“Simpleton”


38 posted on 07/01/2022 6:08:21 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: DoodleBob

Have these doomcriers with their ominous messages ever been right? About anything?

Goldberg wrote Liberal Fascism. Now he is one. TDS is a debilitating condition.


39 posted on 07/01/2022 6:08:30 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: TakebackGOP

He also stole a title “Suicide of the West” which was used by James Burnham in the early 1960’s. Burnham’s essay is awesome, I heartily recommend it.


40 posted on 07/01/2022 6:10:33 AM PDT by Cboldt
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