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Jonah Goldberg: Overturning Roe also upended 'three-legged stool' of conservatism (NeverTrumper alert)
Grand Forks Herald ^ | July 1, 2022 | Jonathan Goldberg

Posted on 07/01/2022 5:45:05 AM PDT by DoodleBob

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To: Persevero

“The social conservatism leg is not going away and there is plenty of work there to do.”

It’s more important now than ever. We just had an entire month of perverts performing in front of children and at least one instance of children performing in front of perverts. Jonah Goldberg should stick to writing about tax cuts.


61 posted on 07/01/2022 6:37:29 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Hoes mad! LOL! )
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To: Antoninus

So winning is actually a loss? He has it backwards.

They said we’d never overturn Roe v. Wade. Well, we did it, which means now anything is possible.

• Deporting illegal immigrants—now possible.
• Building the wall—now possible.
• Bringing manufacturing back to the US from China—now possible.
• Reigning in the federal government—now possible.

All those “impossible” things conservatives have been fighting for for decades are now possible.


62 posted on 07/01/2022 6:37:44 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Ted Cruz said Jan. 6 was terrorism)
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To: DoodleBob

Upending the three-legged stool allows 3 National Review writers to sit at the same time.


63 posted on 07/01/2022 6:43:08 AM PDT by I-ambush (We watched the moment of defeat, played back over on the video screen. )
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To: scrabblehack

The Libertarian party has been all about Marijuana & drugs for decades.

I’m really hoping with the legalization of pot in so many states that the Libertarian party returns to its roots.

In the 1970s it was a force for small government and individual rights.

Then it was taken over by the “sex, drugs, and rock & roll” crowd that was ultra-focused on personal licentiousness. If you weren’t for legalization of drugs, they wouldn’t listen to you.


64 posted on 07/01/2022 6:44:56 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Ted Cruz said Jan. 6 was terrorism)
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To: DoodleBob
I saw Jonah water skiing the other day:


65 posted on 07/01/2022 6:45:31 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: DoodleBob

Everything about Goldberg has the smell of limp wristed homosexuality. I get really creepy vibes from that guy.

He is the type of “conservative” who wears a business suit at a big event and then simultaneously wears panty hose and woman’s underwear beneath his attire. /spit


66 posted on 07/01/2022 6:48:11 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: DoodleBob

“In overturning Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court delivered the right’s biggest single victory ever, and it may spell the end of the conservative movement as we’ve known it.”

Th right? The Constitution is what it is. If you disagree with it and take action to undermine it, you are a radical.


67 posted on 07/01/2022 6:49:17 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (DJT24)
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To: Alberta's Child

To the extent that Jonah Goldberg is a member of the Republican establishment and knows his influence as a member of the conservative media is over, I agree with you.

Jonah Goldberg, Steve Hayes, George Will, Bill Krystal, and many others need to be confined to the dust bin of history.


68 posted on 07/01/2022 6:51:43 AM PDT by srmanuel
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To: DoodleBob

So stool decides what conservatism is. There’s a pun in there somewhere


69 posted on 07/01/2022 7:00:05 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist )
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To: Brookhaven

Assistant Democrats, whose livelihoods depend on perpetuating the hot-button issues, hate it when progress is actually made toward solving them.


70 posted on 07/01/2022 7:02:15 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: DoodleBob; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; BDParrish; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; mitch5501; ..
"Well, the fallout from Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization has opened a similar rift between opponents of Roe and opponents of abortion. And it’s a mystery where these factions will go next, ideologically or politically. "

The core of the conservative movement are social/moral evangelicals and traditional Catholics, yet who are adversaries regarding (unscriptural) distinctive RC teachings, but both of whom are overall foremost opposers of abortion (at least in 99% of cases), as well as absolutely opposing homosexual unions, and the most likely to contend with the opposition, on the basis of authoritative moral teaching.

I see the main division in the conservative movement as being btwn social/moral conservatives and libertarians, many of which I surmise have little use for the former, at least with its preoccupation with homosexual unions and Israel (among evangelicals) and are driven by a strong animus against authority and are the most likely to see Putin as a hero against their home adversary, as well as being the most likely to support armed warfare against anyone who opposes their degree of liberty.

The Left, as proxy servants of the devil, opposes and censors both, and seeks to take over the institutions of moral conservatives and use fringe elements to portray them as Fred Phelps types, and to provoke libertarian types to engage in armed resistance and thus portray all conservatives as domestic terrorists.

Then you have the soft conservatives, who seek nether the kingdom of God or a revolution uprising, but a restored Mayberry, and are fairly contented with RINOs, and wish they could pacify the other elements of conservatism.

Meanwhile, on the Left I see the main divisions as being btwn those who sincerely believe the liberal ethos and those who are driven by lust for power and or the overthrow of morality, liberalism being the means to that end, and the former vote for the latter, which see a division btwn the established powers who engage in methodical slow cooking of the country into Hell, and the more radical elements (as "the Quad") who seek to employ a rapid blowtorch effect and threaten the power the the established liberal Brahman.

And that the reality is that, as Scripture and history (Reformations, Great Awakenings), attests,

we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Ephesians 6:12)

And thus at its very base,

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; (2 Corinthians 10:3-5)

Whatever temporal actions this results in must be driven by the sure standard of the Scripture and faith in the author of them, and the Savior of those who repent and believe. Thanks be to God.


71 posted on 07/01/2022 7:02:33 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: DoodleBob

Grand Forks? Good Lord! Demonicrats have taken over all media. :(


72 posted on 07/01/2022 7:02:45 AM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: DoodleBob

For a loser, even winning is considered a loss. He fails to recognize the constitutional equilibrium this decision brings now that the court can’t nullify state laws by divining penumbras and emanations. Also the next election law cases may well re-establish a more solid state legislative authority on redistricting and election rules that are rightly owned by the state legislatures. Al of this is good for the US. Roe failing just for saving babies lives is great and putting the Feds back in the box means a lot more. Maybe resolving burdensome and unlawful tax “laws” and the private banking industry printing money. WHo knows.


73 posted on 07/01/2022 7:03:24 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: bigfootbob

LOL!

I’ll go with horrific brain injury!


74 posted on 07/01/2022 7:11:18 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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I hadn’t heard of Jonah before the Clinton Scandals.

At that time he seemed a Conservative because he recognized
the evils of Clinton, and that’s what Conservatives were
talking about in the day.

This isn’t limited to Jonah either. There were a number of
people in the press that seemed to get it back then. Keith
Oberman was on board the anti-Clinton express. So was Joe Scarborough. Other well known names were as well.

Then Clinton left office, and what held those folks to
any sense of sanity, left the building.

All of a sudden they became the wing nuts they had been
all along, but had not revealed prior to that time.

Jonah and his mom were nice people. FReepers met with them
back in the late 90s. Since that time both have been a big
disappointment.

Somewhere down inside is a guy that used to get it.


75 posted on 07/01/2022 7:21:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which stands.)
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To: imabadboy99

You can’t reason with them because they have been trained to
prevent hearing anything you have to say. Have you noticed
they get irate if you even open your mouth. They’ll start
talking over you so as not to hear your thoughts.

They’re out there to express their thoughts, but don’t you
get the idea you have that right in their presence.

One of them explained to me once, during a semi-lucid moment.

I can’t listen to you, because anything you tell me will
just be propaganda.

That’s what they are being told on university campuses.


76 posted on 07/01/2022 7:25:48 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which stands.)
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To: DoodleBob

So winning is the new losing.

The RINO manifesto:

Without losses, what do we have to complain about? And complaints are what conservatism is all about. It’s about complaining and firing up the voting base and then doing nothing to solve the problem you are complaining about if you get elected.

Instead, it is about trying to woo white democrat voters by telling them you want to compromise. You want to “reach across the aisle, be bi-partisan.” You want to apologize for being a Republican and ask them to vote for you because you are so so very sorry. And the media?!? They are your friends and there to help you. You need to agree with them and apologize even more. Your voters? They suck and are nothing more than white nationalist, deplorables. You want to trade them in. You are more worthy of the democrat voters than the democrats.

Of course, don’t forget the complaints!! Roe is evil, secure the border, end regulation, make DC accountable!!! Yes, those complaints. But they are for election time. For now, it’s back to glad handing and apologizing.

Sincerely, the usual suspects.


77 posted on 07/01/2022 7:29:38 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: DoughtyOne

When you’re a media (print, blog, or TV) celebrity or aspire to be one (Yes, I am being generous with Jonah!) you have to stay in the public eye. You do this positively or negatively with the issues of the day. Whatever it takes to keep your brand out there. Do what gets you talked about, loved hated doesn’t matter the worst thing is to be ignored. You just have to know where the boundaries are, something Oberman seems oblivious to. They have a partial PR victory on us right now by us discussing this!


78 posted on 07/01/2022 7:31:22 AM PDT by Reily
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To: DoodleBob

Just fodder from the chattering class. Goldberg is a spectator at best and like most of his peers has long since lost touch with the real issues. I await the first interesting commentary on the real issue Justice Thomas lifted up in his concurring opinion, regarding the infusion of substantive due process into jurisprudence.


79 posted on 07/01/2022 7:38:03 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: reegs

“This article is a complete waste of the pixels and bytes used to create it.”

Text is a pixel sipper. Images are pixel gobblers.

As far as public opinion is concerned, the next election will tell us that.


80 posted on 07/01/2022 7:44:56 AM PDT by cymbeline
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