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1 posted on 07/01/2022 5:45:05 AM PDT by DoodleBob
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"Well, the fallout from Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization has opened a similar rift between opponents of Roe and opponents of abortion. And it’s a mystery where these factions will go next, ideologically or politically. "

The core of the conservative movement are social/moral evangelicals and traditional Catholics, yet who are adversaries regarding (unscriptural) distinctive RC teachings, but both of whom are overall foremost opposers of abortion (at least in 99% of cases), as well as absolutely opposing homosexual unions, and the most likely to contend with the opposition, on the basis of authoritative moral teaching.

I see the main division in the conservative movement as being btwn social/moral conservatives and libertarians, many of which I surmise have little use for the former, at least with its preoccupation with homosexual unions and Israel (among evangelicals) and are driven by a strong animus against authority and are the most likely to see Putin as a hero against their home adversary, as well as being the most likely to support armed warfare against anyone who opposes their degree of liberty.

The Left, as proxy servants of the devil, opposes and censors both, and seeks to take over the institutions of moral conservatives and use fringe elements to portray them as Fred Phelps types, and to provoke libertarian types to engage in armed resistance and thus portray all conservatives as domestic terrorists.

Then you have the soft conservatives, who seek nether the kingdom of God or a revolution uprising, but a restored Mayberry, and are fairly contented with RINOs, and wish they could pacify the other elements of conservatism.

Meanwhile, on the Left I see the main divisions as being btwn those who sincerely believe the liberal ethos and those who are driven by lust for power and or the overthrow of morality, liberalism being the means to that end, and the former vote for the latter, which see a division btwn the established powers who engage in methodical slow cooking of the country into Hell, and the more radical elements (as "the Quad") who seek to employ a rapid blowtorch effect and threaten the power the the established liberal Brahman.

And that the reality is that, as Scripture and history (Reformations, Great Awakenings), attests,

we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Ephesians 6:12)

And thus at its very base,

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; (2 Corinthians 10:3-5)

Whatever temporal actions this results in must be driven by the sure standard of the Scripture and faith in the author of them, and the Savior of those who repent and believe. Thanks be to God.


71 posted on 07/01/2022 7:02:33 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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Grand Forks? Good Lord! Demonicrats have taken over all media. :(


72 posted on 07/01/2022 7:02:45 AM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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For a loser, even winning is considered a loss. He fails to recognize the constitutional equilibrium this decision brings now that the court can’t nullify state laws by divining penumbras and emanations. Also the next election law cases may well re-establish a more solid state legislative authority on redistricting and election rules that are rightly owned by the state legislatures. Al of this is good for the US. Roe failing just for saving babies lives is great and putting the Feds back in the box means a lot more. Maybe resolving burdensome and unlawful tax “laws” and the private banking industry printing money. WHo knows.


73 posted on 07/01/2022 7:03:24 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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So winning is the new losing.

The RINO manifesto:

Without losses, what do we have to complain about? And complaints are what conservatism is all about. It’s about complaining and firing up the voting base and then doing nothing to solve the problem you are complaining about if you get elected.

Instead, it is about trying to woo white democrat voters by telling them you want to compromise. You want to “reach across the aisle, be bi-partisan.” You want to apologize for being a Republican and ask them to vote for you because you are so so very sorry. And the media?!? They are your friends and there to help you. You need to agree with them and apologize even more. Your voters? They suck and are nothing more than white nationalist, deplorables. You want to trade them in. You are more worthy of the democrat voters than the democrats.

Of course, don’t forget the complaints!! Roe is evil, secure the border, end regulation, make DC accountable!!! Yes, those complaints. But they are for election time. For now, it’s back to glad handing and apologizing.

Sincerely, the usual suspects.


77 posted on 07/01/2022 7:29:38 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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Just fodder from the chattering class. Goldberg is a spectator at best and like most of his peers has long since lost touch with the real issues. I await the first interesting commentary on the real issue Justice Thomas lifted up in his concurring opinion, regarding the infusion of substantive due process into jurisprudence.


79 posted on 07/01/2022 7:38:03 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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Jonah Goldberg is the son of Lucianne Goldberg who runs a news and comment site https://www.lucianne.com

It has a ton of ads so you need ‘ublock orgin’ ad blocker to view the content as again a ton of ads. Also you post anything negative like against George Bush and you will be banned. She bans people for many reasons.


81 posted on 07/01/2022 7:53:04 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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Jonah, you have to stop parroting your sister Whoppie.


83 posted on 07/01/2022 7:59:23 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (I miss Don Imus!)
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Goldberg is a stool.


84 posted on 07/01/2022 8:18:52 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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The dark underbelly to MAGA is how many in and indeed “leading” the movement don’t believe in limited government, but simply want to redirect the largesse in their direction.

Rubio, who of course is a deeply compromised faux-conservative, is just an example of that. You have a lot of the Bannon crew—Posobiec, Cortes, Kassan (whatever happened to him?, etc.—who are really nationalist Democrats. They want huge subsidies for families with children, for example, rather than objecting to redistribution if it flows in the direction of their demographic.


87 posted on 07/01/2022 8:46:28 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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Jonah who now...?


91 posted on 07/01/2022 9:01:31 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
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This old bore. Trying to take over George Will’s warm seat.


94 posted on 07/01/2022 11:52:23 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (“Government is the problem.” --Milton Friedman)
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The article itself isn’t very controversial — or very interesting — is it? It seems more like an opportunity to insult Goldberg for other reasons. I’m not a fan of his, but piling on every time his name comes up seems like a waste of time.


96 posted on 07/01/2022 2:52:15 PM PDT by x
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